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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/10 10:01:22
Subject: Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Right managed to get my first game in vs Dark Eldar, actually against the guy I was forced to play doubles w/ last week, despite him knowing my list (I dont change mine much, my core is always the same), but he really didnt prepare for me very well.
MY BLOOD ANGELS
My List was my typical mech but a bit more refined.
HQ:
Libby - Fear of the Darkness / Shield of Sang
TROOPS:
x5 RAS w/ MG AssCan Razorback
x5 RAS w/ MG AssCan Razorback
x5 RAS w/ MG LasPlas Razorback
x5 RAS w/ MG LasPlas Razorback
x1 Baal Predator - AssCan HB
x1 Baal Predator - AssCan HB
x2 Land Speeders - MM / HF
x1 Predator AutoCan HB
x1 Predator AutoCan HB
x1 Predator AutoCan HB
HIS DARK ELDAR
I dont have my DE codex with me right now so I'll edit once I get her name ...
HQ:
Hermonk w/ Web Way Portal
The woman SC that isnt Leleith
TROOPS:
x9 Wych's w/ Raider - PW Whip 4+ wound effort (w/ the SC woman) haywire grenades
x10 Wychs (Reserved for portal) haywire grenades
x10 Wychs w/ Raider haywire grenades
Elites:
x10 Incubi (Reserved for portal)
x5 Grotesques w/ Raider (Hermonk w/ them)
Now your probably wondering what I did as well ... thats not a lot of stuff for 1500, but he stocked up on a ton of extras every where - for e.g his wychs all had haywire grenades etc..
The SETUP
Table standard 6x4 set up with quite an open table. Each 12 inch "deployment area" had x1 tree and x1 small building/wall in each corner-ish, the center line of the table had x2 ruins about 18" in. Also in the center of each deployment was a small area terrain based "barricade". The center was a small hill - thus a very open table.
Deployement: Dawn of War
Mission: Multiple Objectives - x4
He wins to go first. He takes the side w/ the "open" side of the ruins, leaving me with
Objectives were set up - he puts one in his deployment zone, near the big ruin (my right hand side of the board), I put one in my objective 12" from the table edge by a small wall - about 20" away in a straight line towards my table edge from his 1st objective. He now puts one right in the center of the board, and I now put one in my center deployement area on the area terrain - I try to create a triangle - out of his x1 objective and my x2 - but allowing me to be able to play the denial game if I need for "his" objectives.
The Game
He deploys quite aggressivily with his 2 raiders w/ the HQ's right up on his deployment line (center line) - I didnt like the LOS / corner where my objective was deployement as it would push his x3 raiders into my 3 objectives, if I rolled badly I could have him pinning me in and he could essentially win 1-0. So I opt'd to put my libby + x2 lasplas razors right on the left hand flank, should he fall for it, he would send his raiders slightly off center towards them, and allow me to roll on w/ lots of preds' and razors covering my 2 objectives.
T1
I dont seize so he pushes forward, he moves his first wychs about 12 or 18 towards my lasplas's and his hermonk and grotesques towards the center to deploy a webway - which now I think of it was illegal deployment as I am sure he had the special char + wychs - he may have actually turbo'd the SC on - but he definatly had the grotesques on because no way he could get out and deploy the portal w/ out already being deployed. So he deploys the webway just infront of the center hill on my side, and then takes a pot shot w/ x2 darklances @ the razors - he stuns the lead one, as I failed the 5++ cover save.
I roll on ... I bring x2 razors on towards my right hand side objective, w/ x2 autocannon/hb preds infront giving them a massive screen, the baals come in right at the center to get the 24" range on everything, x1 autopred comes in near my las plas's to help support, and my speeders move up 12" to get right on top of the wych w/ sc raider (which did turbo come to think of it). In shooting I had quite an effective turn. I managed to wreck the special char's raider w/ a autocannon after the lascannons wiffed, then I put the heavy flamers into the wychs, killing all but the special char, then the x2 MM's insta killed her. 1 scoring unit down. I managed to take the weapon off the far raider w/ the wychs on my left flank, and took out a single grotesque on my center.
T2
He got no reserves. In T2 his groteques charged my speeders - and shook them from shooting. His right hand wychs got out and charged my baals (multi charge) and the left hand raider moved up a bit more and shot and shook the autocannon pred on my left flank near my lasplas's. In assault the wychs managed to destroy both assault cannons on the baal and shook both His raider on the right (the groteque one) moved right up to my autopred on the right hand side and shot and shook my autopred there.
In my T2 I returned some fire. I tried to tank shock w/ both baals on the wychs but to no avail. I managed to imob his left hand raider, destroyed its weapon and stopped it from shooting - between my autocannon / lascannonx2 and plasma guns - bit of wiffing there I am affraid. I dont think I actually did anything to the right hand raider in this turn, I think I caused another wound on the groteques, and sent the speeders flying off near the far objectives to cower for a turn till they could line up a nice flamer again.
T3
In his T3 it saw a bit more assauling going on. his wychs and incbui turn up from the web way portal, the wychs go charging after my razor backs (lasplas on the left flank) and the incubi go to cover. His grot's go after x1 baal and x1 auto pred if I remember correctly. He manages to rip off a heavy bolter from the baal and stop it shooting in T3, and stop the autopred from shooting as well. The wychs rip the plasma guns off the razorback, the incubi sit and look pretty in cover.
In my T3 I wanted to whittle down those incubi, at this stage he has x2 troops - both are on foot and quite far from objectives. I just want to stop him hurting things on my defensive line so I set up the preds to basically box his grots and incubi in the center and let rip at him. Firstly I aimed to get rid of the annoying raider in my objective area - so the assasult cannons manage to wreck this via tons of imob' weapon destroyed results. I pour flamer / HB fire into the incubi and take out about 6, and manage to take a few of the wychs in the center that had ripped off the heavy bolter etc.. out - and force them to run quite far! I got my libby out of his box w/ his melta squad and laid into his wychs - I failed to make them run from fear (damn) so took out a couple w/ bolters / mg and then assaulted - libby was out of 6" so he didnt get into base to base with the x3 wychs left annoyingly so I actually lost combat - but stayed, he is now in b2b.
T4
He knows the game is over, his x2 troops left are x2 in 1 corner w/ 2 or 3 tanks right on top of them, and 1 that is running v.near x2 HF templates ... his grots fail to do anything vs my preds this turn, and his incub wiff as well - maybe 1 shaken out of it all. My libby cleans off his wych squad, he is now left with 3 reduced squads on the table.
He now concedes after seeing my movement. I had the flamers lined up to take out his wychs that were running (and now cant rally even if I didn't kill them all), and lined up a big load of firing onto the incubi - the nearest challenge to my objective (lots of HB / AC fire with no cover from the AC's). He rightly concedes.
Conclusion
Tbh his list was not designed to take me on at all, I am surprised he didnt take more stuff knowing he was facing mech, much like that foot SW army I faced the other week - its just a case of me picking the right targets and blocking routes.
DE descend on you FAST - DoW doesnt help that much either - esp if they have first turn. With so few #'s of troops I do have to be so wary of letting any DE player open up my razors - so I have to use those preds to maximum effect - take advantage of AV13 (or 12) frontage and screen best I can - the Speeders did well and in my "meta" are probably better than techmarines but I do intend on taking the tech marines in future.
Over all I was quite happy with my game, I made a couple of positioning errors, especially w/ the libby's charge as I did actually want to get him into B2B but he was out of 6" - I just didnt bother moving him as I thought he was in 5" at least. Also my deployment from the T1 roll on wasnt fantastic - I had the right idea but I bunched up a little 2 much, and fed him a couple of multi assaults that really I could have gotten away with (1 baal got unnecsasarily shaken and lost its turret - where as I should have just let him box the other baal). But I've not had DoW w/ this much mech vs such a fast opponent - which kinda made me deploy a bit paply.
Anyway - sorry for no pics - I really need to start doing it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/10 15:57:20
Subject: Re:Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Ok... you have 11 vehicles, 5 of which are AV13... and he didn't have any blasters or lances at all... it was over before deployment. Thanks for the report but the list mismatch is major... hopefully he learned something because it was a shooting gallery for you.
EDIT: You guys also both deployed too much stuff for DoW deployment. A Wych squad with a SC in a Raider is both the Troops choices and the HQ... you put down 4 troops and a HQ as well though so I guess it was even.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/10 17:55:43
Subject: Re:Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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You guys messed up on Deployment/Mission.
You put out the Objectives first for Capture and Control, then you roll to see who goes first.
As mentioned above, you guys also deployed too many units at the start as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/12 14:01:40
Subject: Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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Buffo meant Seize Ground, but yeah, he's right.
Also I'm not sure if you did the wound allocation right for the MM/HF speeders. Remember that all the wounds are allocated and resolved at the same time, so most likely the DE player could and should have put the MM wounds on regular Wyches, and HF wounds on his IC instead.
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All that nitpicking aside, it's a good report!
Your list is pretty fierce, and I'd definitely be interested in reading some reports of games with similarly strong opposition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/13 05:33:18
Subject: Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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good report, just try and keep it a little tighter on the rules next time and it will be even better
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/13 07:01:43
Subject: Re:Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Very strong BA list, and a weak DE list. Get the DE player to post up their list so we can help make improvements and you guys should have better battles - close battles are fun for both sides!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/13 15:43:49
Subject: Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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Very weak DE list tbh. HQ is Lady Malys btw. Honestly, how he expected to de-mech any army at all is rather confusing; seems all he had was two Raiders' DLs and then assaulting vehicles with units, which is a rather bad idea.
Dark Lances are lance weapons, one on each raider, so he did in fact have a lance weapon.
As stated above, you both deployed incorrectly. Objectives go down, then roll for deployment, then deploy two (2) troops and one (1) HQ. Transports also count as a troop slot, so you both were well over the allocation lol. Overall, not a bad writeup, just try to keep the rules tightened up in the future
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/13 20:59:00
Subject: Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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Slight correction/clarification, vishra. In DoW you may (but do not have to) deploy up to 2 units from Troops and 1 from HQ. I try to be careful not to use the word "slot" because it makes people think about Force org slots, which is usually the way people get confused about this deployment.
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/21 15:31:12
Subject: Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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We did obejective placement in correct order I just wrote it that way, didmy think anyone would take it as a literal placement of events just how the game was setup, I also write normally I don't seize in this as well, which comes much later. As for the DOw placement at the time I'd has forgotten about tanks counting as, but it made very little difference as I'd just have placed empty razors there or nothing at all.I noticed he was well over allocation which did make a massive difference to his start, but due to how the game went after T1 I didnt even mind. He had something like 6 units to my 5, including 2 HQs and a elite choice lol. My bad on the rules I did and do know better but in was more going through the motions at times.
Like I say at the beginning, despite him knowing my list he didnt bother taking any extra anti mech.
Was an overly easy game, and wasn't much fun at all but he had been pestering me to play me for weeks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/23 02:06:02
Subject: Report: 1500 Blood Angels vs Dark Eldar
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Member of the Malleus
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Yeah this must have been a somewhat hollow victory, DE never really stood a chance,
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