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Im thinking about making a catachan guard army called the "Black Devils". Im trying to stick more to what catachans do in fluff than really being competitive. my questions are?

1. What are their preferred tactics?
2. What weapons do they like?
3. Do they dislike any Certain weapon or tactic? (ex Khorne cant stand magic)

Thank you for your time

1.Guerilla tactics
2.Shotguns and Flammers
3.No, but they usually do not use battletanks.

Do they like vehicles as a whole? i kinda pictured them as more infantry than anything else.

Depends. Its a possibility that they could do the airmoble thing with Valks, but generally, the heaviest vehicles I see them using are Sentinels.

I wonder how 9 sentinels would do in a list? I was thinking about using hell hounds. it seems that they should love them due to how much they love flamers.
Also would catachans use any type of artillery? I mean manpower alone would solve most of their problems but they have to have some sort of big hammer to take people out.

PIck yourself up a copy of the old catachan codex.

Also, it is mandatory to have the old metal models in there, as certain ones were some of the coolest models ever made.

Not many tanks-although there is evidence in fluff of a few catachan armoured units.
Mortars, and I seem to remember demo charges.

Also, make the most of converting storm troopers- proper ghillied up.

Codex: IG has pictures of Catachan armored and artillery forces, so they're not completely uncommon. However, their home-turf terrain indicates either an emphasis on infantry and terrain-mobile scout sentinels....OR a bulldozer-style approach, I guess. If there are tanks, then put dozer blades and heavy flamers on each of them - those guys are not sneaking through the jungle, but trashing everything in their path. Which of those styles is employed depends on the enemy, I guess.

I read a passage somewhere that heavy weapons teams are disliked a bit, because the weight of the guns slows the Catachans down in the jungle. They very rarely employ the heavy stuff like lascannons, although they seem to use mortars from time to time, thanks to their ability to fire across dense jungle terrain without the shot getting eaten by one of the gazillion trees in the way.

*takes notes for his own Catachan army*

Catachans are practical, while they tend not to use vehicles its more to do with the fact they are sent on missions where tanks would be impractical. If vehicles would be useful then catachans would happily use them.

Hellhounds could be useful for clearing our enemies or jungle.

I would avoid including commissars. Catachans don't like people who shoot their friends and commissars sent to work with catachans have a record of being very unlucky.

You could have a commissar who went 'native' as it were.
Admittedly this would be unlikely but considering the Catachan reputation for having a lot of dead commissars a few of them must have won their respect.

Definitely a good start to developing a good understanding of the catachans and how they operate. I developed a list that tried to captivate what they are about with a little added competitiveness.Here

Forgive me, but IMHO its not a fluffy list at all. the whole thing when they realeased the plastic catachan boxed set, and codex catachans was that whilst they did use armoured units, they were built as a light infantry army- snipers, booby traps, catachan devils.

I seem to remember that you could even buy plants-mantraps, etc.

To put 2 hellhounds, 3 hydras and 2 leman russ (not even exterminators) and it is any guard army, not catachans.

As for not using heavy weapons- some of the fluff stated that the HW broke down in to man portable parts for humping through the jungle. And they are big- catachan is reknown for stronger gravity, so can hump massive weights.

yeah i wrote that last night before asking what catachans really do. im going to re write now with the insight i have now. I think taking out the hydras and the hellhounds and replacing them with sentinels. as for the lemans i think they would use them to plow through the jungle if need be.


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List has been updated thank you for your insight

My bad- I didnt check the time.

On a serious note though, they are good to model.

I am actually half tempted to do one myself.

Also, Alrahem is Tallarn, so I wouldnt take him, regards of his beneficial rules. Take straken or similar.

dirkthe1 wrote:My bad- I didnt check the time.

On a serious note though, they are good to model.

I am actually half tempted to do one myself.

Also, Alrahem is Tallarn, so I wouldnt take him, regards of his beneficial rules. Take straken or similar.

You can take Al'rahem and say he is a Catachan commander...
Counts as is such an epic rule...

purplefood wrote:

dirkthe1 wrote:My bad- I didnt check the time.

On a serious note though, they are good to model.

I am actually half tempted to do one myself.

Also, Alrahem is Tallarn, so I wouldnt take him, regards of his beneficial rules. Take straken or similar.

You can take Al'rahem and say he is a Catachan commander...
Counts as is such an epic rule...

I know, but I wouldnt take him as fluff wise its like Kharn in a blood angels army....ok, maybe not quite but still, its just not right.

Catachan armies should have a good quota of veterans.

There is a great bit of fluff about a catachan force that spent years fighting 'nids, so they covered themselves n lictor blood masking them from the 'nids.

Even tho al rahem is tallran making a "catachan" al rahem seems to fit. I can see a catachan officer that specializes in outflanking

dirkthe1 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

dirkthe1 wrote:My bad- I didnt check the time.

On a serious note though, they are good to model.

I am actually half tempted to do one myself.

Also, Alrahem is Tallarn, so I wouldnt take him, regards of his beneficial rules. Take straken or similar.

You can take Al'rahem and say he is a Catachan commander...
Counts as is such an epic rule...

I know, but I wouldnt take him as fluff wise its like Kharn in a blood angels army....ok, maybe not quite but still, its just not right.

Fluffwise he wont be Al'rahem. Flufwise he will be a Catachan commander who is very good at outflanking the enemy...

Right

Regradless of what you do You have to get a picture of Rambo and put on your standerd banner....its manditory....

But really, There an awesome fluff army, Demos, snipers, and sentnails,

Catachans LOVE demo charges.....

Also go ahead ans use Al rahem as a count as.

I agree with the advice of trying to get your hands on a 3rd Ed. Codex: Catachan. Also, they like their sniper rifles, and the Catachan sniper models look freaking awesome.

Again, find a Codex: Catachan!!!!!

purplefood wrote:

dirkthe1 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

dirkthe1 wrote:My bad- I didnt check the time.

On a serious note though, they are good to model.

I am actually half tempted to do one myself.

Also, Alrahem is Tallarn, so I wouldnt take him, regards of his beneficial rules. Take straken or similar.

You can take Al'rahem and say he is a Catachan commander...
Counts as is such an epic rule...

I know, but I wouldnt take him as fluff wise its like Kharn in a blood angels army....ok, maybe not quite but still, its just not right.

Fluffwise he wont be Al'rahem. Flufwise he will be a Catachan commander who is very good at outflanking the enemy...

Yeah- if he is going to be renamed as used in then sence, fine. But I thought we ment using the model- and he may aswell be called lawence of arabia!

I really am going to have to do an army now. bang goes my cadian mech plans.

Im glad this thread is inspiring so many catachan armies. There really isn't enough people who do them, in my area anyway.

They were really popular when the plastic kit came out. WD did massive spreads on them.

There was a slayer sword winning diorama many years ago, with 2 guardsmen and a crashed land speeder- I think it was Matt Parkes' first one actually- that made me buy the models.

My only complaint with the plastic kit was the bare chested ones. But nowadays you can trade them out.

Catachans were about the most popular army in the IG back when all the models were metal, and no-one had seen a plastic Cadian.
As for a Commissar, how about one actually from Catachan? That could lead to an interesting looking model and explain why he's able to earn their respect. The Valks and the airmobile style sounds like a good idea.
Tanks should be few and would probably be Hellhounds and Demolishers. Demolishers are one of the few tanks not parceled out from armored companies, they actually belong to the infantry companies they support