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Tested a Purifier list last night.

Grey Knights

HQ

Castellan Crowe

Troops

5 x Purifiers w/ Rhino - 2 x psycannons, 2 x nemesis halberds & nemesis daemon hammer
5 x Purifiers w/ Rhino - 2 x psycannons, 2 x nemesis halberds & nemesis daemon hammer
5 x Purifiers w/ Rhino - 2 x psycannons, 2 x nemesis halberds & nemesis daemon hammer
5 x Purifiers w/ Rhino - 2 x psycannons, 2 x nemesis halberds & nemesis daemon hammer
5 x Purifiers w/ Rhino - 2 x psycannons, 2 x nemesis halberds & nemesis daemon hammer
5 x Purifiers w/ Rhino - 2 x psycannons, 2 x nemesis halberds & nemesis daemon hammer

Fast Attack

Interceptor Squad - psycannon, nemesis halberd & nemesis daemon hammer
Interceptor Squad - psycannon, nemesis halberd & nemesis daemon hammer

Heavy Support

Dreadnought - 2 x twin-linked autocannons & psybolt ammo
Dreadnought - 2 x twin-linked autocannons & psybolt ammo
Dreadnought - 2 x twin-linked autocannons & psybolt ammo

Total: 1,999


Orks "'Ead Manglers Lads" - 2,000 points

HQ

1 x Warboss - power klaw, attack squig & cybork body
1 x Big Mek kustom force field

Elite

5 x Lootas
5 x Lootas
4 x Nobz w/ Battlewagon power klaw, 2 x big choppas, waaagh! Banner, bosspole, cybork bodies & Painboy - Wagon w/ big shoota & deffrolla

Troops

5 x Nobz w/ Battlewagon power klaw, 3 x big choppas, waaagh! Banner, bosspole,cybork bodies & Painboy - Wagon w/ big shoota & deffrolla
20 x Shoota Boyz Nob w/ power klaw & boss pole
20 x Shoota Boyz Nob w/ power klaw & boss pole
20 x Shoota Boyz Nob w/ power klaw & boss pole
15 x Gretchin Runtherd w/ grot-pod

Fast Attack

1 x Deffcopter twin-linked rokkits & buzzsaw
1 x Deffcopter twin-linked rokkits & buzzsaw

Heavy Support

1 x Battlewagon big shoota & deffrolla
1 x Battlewagon big shoota & deffrolla
1 x Battlewagon big shoota & deffrolla

Total: 2,000

Game: Capture & Control + Anniliation

Deployment

Grey Knights won the roll off and placed their objective in a large ruin not far from the bottom right corner of the board. Orks put there's in a small ruin towards top right.

Knights deployed first using the two large ruins in the centre of the board to block LOS or get cover. On the left flank two Purifiers deployed with two Dreadnoughts and both Interceptor Squads. Right flank the remaining four Rhinos deployed with Crowe sandwiched between them.

Orks deployed putting all Wagons in the centre of the board with the two Nobz ones at the back, these had to go side on due to room - the Big Mek was in the Wagon with the Warboss and Nobz. Unit of Lootas deployed in the ruin where the objective was with Gretchin hiding behind that ruin while the other Lootas deployed in another ruin at the side of the Battlewagons. Deffkopters were held in reserve.

Turn 1

Orks fail to seize the initiative.

Knights on the right flank move up using the shrine centre ruin to block LOS though the Dreadnought supporting can see through the doorway to the troops Nobz tank, Crowe moves up along side the Dreadnought. Left flank units move up with the Interceptor Squads using the Rhinos and Dreadnoughts to block LOS, a large ruin gives all the units cover.

Shooting the single Dreadnought fires and manages to immobilise the troops Nobz Battlewagon. The other two Dreadnoughts fire at a Boyz Battlewagon but just crew stun it after cover saves.

Orks turn the operational Battlewagons move out keeping under cover of the KFF, the two Boyz Wagons stay in front of the Warbosses Battlewagon.

Shooting Lootas on the objective get 10 shots and a unnatural amount of 5+ to hit (in fact they only miss three shots) and end up wrecking a Rhino by the shrine ruin after it failed cover saves. Other Lootas fire at one of the Dreadnoughts on the left flank but don't do anything.

Turn 2

One of the Dreadnoughts on the left flank moves into cover of the ruin while the other Dreadnought and a Interceptor Squad advance to get LOS on the side armour of the same Battlewagon as the other Interceptor Squad uses the shunt move and moves towards the Lootas in the ruin. The two Rhinos on the left flank hold position ready to unleash mass psycannons. On the right flank Crowe and the Dreadnought move more into terrain of the shrine ruin while the Rhinos hold position as the squad blown out the tank moves behind the shrine ruin so they don't eat Loota bullets.

Shooting Interceptors blast the Lootas but only kill a single Loota after poor rolls to hit and Lootas passing cover saves. Left flank a Dreadnought and Interceptor Squad pour fire into the side armour of a Battlewagon, but the KFF makes the saves. The other Dreadnought nearby in terrain has more luck and the Battlewagon explodes, now the way has cleared one of the Rhino squads fires into the side armour of the other Battlewagon and it explodes as well! All remaining psycannon and storm bolter shots from the Rhinos get shared among the two Boyz mobs leaving one with 11 Boyz and the other with 12 Boyz. The Dreadnought with Crowe fires at the troops Nobz Wagon again and scores weapon destroyed. The Purifier unit on foot fires at the Warbosses Battlewagon but it makes the KFF save.

Orks call for reserve and both 'Kopters arrive on the right flank, they move to get LOS on the rear armour of the Dreadnought. The Boyz squads move out of the craters from their tanks, one unit moves to the Interceptors by the Dreadnought and the other towards Crowe and a Rhino nearby. The Warbosses Battlewagon tank shocks the Dreadnought in terrain and makes it go boom! The Boss and Nobz bail out to batter the other Dreadnought in combat. The troops Nobz bail out their Battlewagon and move to the Interceptors hassling the Lootas.

Shooting the Deffkopters shake the Dreadnought near Crowe as the Warboss calls a Waaaagh! which sees the Boyz get closer to there intended targets, though the troops Nobz don't get far thanks to a roll of a 2 so doubt it they will make assault. Lootas on the objective ruin blast a Rhino on the left flank as nothing else to shoot at and score weapon destroyed while the other unit blasts the Interceptors but fails to kill any silver powered armour Marines.

In assault Boyz multi charge the Dreadnought and Interceptors, Warboss and Nobz charge the Dreadnought and explode it; Dreadnought fails to hit anything. Inteceptors get a beating with only a single Marine surviving though about 8 Boyz left. Other Boyz multi charge a Rhino and Crowe, the Rhino is exploded by the Nobz power klaw killing three Orks in the blast and pinning the unit inside. Crowe kills 7 Orks with cleansing flame and another with his daemon blade, Crowe takes no wounds and destroys the Orks via sweeping advance.

Turn 3

The two Purifiers bail out their tanks and get ready to shell the Warboss and Nobz on the left flank. Crowe moves through terrain and out in the open towards the Lootas on the objective as the Purifier unit blown out their tank by the Lootas first turn shooting moves to gun down the Deffkopters with support from another Rhino. The other remaining Rhino moves forward to support Crowe while the Dreadnought holds position.

Shooting the two Purifier units blast the Warboss and Nobz with mass storm bolters and psycannons leaving the Boss on one wound and two Nobz left, one with a single wound, they also pass morale. Purifier on foot on the right flank blasts a Kopter and kills it, squad inside the Rhino blasts the other but only scores a single wound thanks to passing armour and cover saves thanks to the ruin. Interceptors blast the Lootas and kill the all with 4 psycannon shots and plenty of storm bolter bullets.

In assault the Purifiers charge the Nobz and Warboss with one unit able to cast hammerhand the other fails. Warboss and Nobz die before getting to strike back. Single Interceptor dies in combat but takes a Ork with him.

Orks turn the single one wound Kopter moves to the rear of the nearby Rhino while the previously stunned Battlewagon moves and tank shocks Crowe scoring 6 wounds, Crowe fails two armour saves and is dead thanks to instant death. The Big Mek still in the Bosses Wagon double tank shocks the two Purifiers killing a Marine from one unit. The remaining Boyz on the left flank get ready to shoot into the Purifiers which just got tank shocked. The troops Nobz move through terrain to get to the Interceptor Squad.

Shooting the Boyz fire into the Purifiers and kill one. The last Loota unit fires at the Rhino supporting Crowe and wrecks it. The Kopters fire at the Rhino and scores exploded result, one Marine dies but the Kopter is fine.

In assault Boyz charge the Purifiers but lost combat thanks to cleansing flame, though only three Purifiers are left, Orks manage to fall back but only two left and cannot regroup. Kopter charges the Purifiers out the exploded tank but is dead before gets to strike.

Turn 4

The two Purifier units left on the left flank move to dish out some psycannons and daemon hammers on the Meks Battlewagon. The last Interceptor unit shunts towards the Ork objective landing at the foot of the building towards their own forces. The last Dreadnought comes out of terrain to blast the side armour of the Battlewagon which killed Crowe.

Shooting Purifiers blast the Meks Wagon but it passes the cover saves. The other Battlewagon comes under fire but just takes crew shaken and weapon destroyed results. Interceptors blast the Lootas killing three but the remaining two pass morale.

In assault the two Purifier units charge the Meks Battlewagon but fail to score any hits as it moved at cruising speed.

Orks turn the troops Nobz change direction after watching the Interceptor Squad vanish and move back towards their own objective but still won't make assault. The Big Mek tank shocks both Purifier units wiping one unit out (was only 4 in the unit) and kills a Marine from the other. Other Battlewagon tank shocks the last Dreadnought and wrecks it and tank shocks the Purifiers out the wrecked Rhino which was supporting Crowe, no Marines die. Boyz bail out ready to unleash mass shoota fire.

Shooting last two Lootas fire at the Interceptors but don't kill any Marines after armour saves. Boyz unload into the Purifiers their tank just tank shocked and only manage to kill a single Purifier.

In assault Boyz charge the Purifiers; Purifiers use cleansing flame and combat remains on with about 8 Orks left and two Purifiers.

Turn 5

Last Purifier unit on the left flank moves to hammer and krak grenade the Meks Battlewagon as the Purifier Squad moves out the wrecked Rhino by the Kopter and claims the Knights objective. One unit bails out their tank and moves towards the Purifiers in combat with the Boyz as the unit which was pinned one turn moves to take some pot shots at the troops Nobz unit.

Shooting Interceptors blast the Gretchin who pass morale after taking 25% damage. Purifiers take some pot shots at the Nobz but do nothing.

In assault Interceptors charge and batter the Gretchin claiming the Ork objective. Purifiers multi charge the Boyz already in combat with another unit and the Battlewagon, one unit manages to cast cleansing flame the other fails losing the Justicar after suffering perils. Boyz are killed though so if the first Purifier unit which was in combat with them after the hammer and Nob struck at the sametime killing each other, the hammer from the unit which just joined the fight hits the Battlewagon and immobilises it.

Orks turn the Nobz move towards the Interceptors with hope of getting the Ork objective back. Big Mek tank shocks the Purifiers again but kills nobody this time.

No shooting, onto assault, Nobz fail to get good terrain rolls to reach the Interceptors. Battlewagon is wrecked by the daemon hammer.

Game ends on turn 5 Grey Knights win claiming their objective and contesting the Orks'

Summary

I'm pretty impressed with the Purifier list. Things I did wrong was Interceptors doing shunt twice, this could have been a game changer as the Nobz no doubt would have got them in combat leaving the Gretchin unhassled. I don't know how it could have gone in the Interceptor vs Nob fight, only one Grey Knight had a halberd to strike first and then most of the models in each unit would strike at the same time. I think both units maybe would have been wiped out if force weapons could have been used. Speaking of Interceptors I like them. They did well zipping up a flank and hassling a long range unit and then going for a objective (which shouldn't have happened) which is useful. What I like is they add more infantry models to the army.

Purifiers did ok in smaller units which I was surprised about. The cleansing flame really does help in combat even though in small units but I cannot help thinking a more serious shooting unit wouldn't have problems causing them some damage.

Crowe is a bit disappointing. Sure he killed a unit of 12 Orks on his own but to be fair cleansing flame did the work which normal Purifiers have and a tank exploded killing a few more. In combat he only got two attacks as only two Orks were in base combat and he only hit one of those and killed a single Ork. I don't think Crowe is that good to be fair but a neccessary evil in a Purifier list.

Orks did ok especially tank shocking things all the time, if I remember correctly tank shocking killed two Dreadnoughts, a Purifier unit and Crowe which isn't too bad at all. Other than that I think the Orks did ok but more ranged shooting is really required to deal with mass tanks.

Shunting twice eh? Yeah, that ceratinly is a game changer. Normal infantry can move 36", not including run rolls. Jump infantry can move 72". The interceptors that shunted twice could have moved 108" as they have to give up their normal movement. You think this would've been a draw had that not happened? Thats a pretty big difference in movement, especially for contesting objectives.

What you on about?

mercer wrote:What you on about?

Hm? I was asking if you think it would've been a draw had the interceptor unit not shunted twice.

What you on about all those distances for though?

I think would have been a draw because the Interceptors would have more than likely killed by the troops Nobz which definately would have assaulted them. Only one halberd in the squad and Interceptors would use force weapons on the Nobz but would strike at the same time. I think weight of wounds would bring the Interceptors down and they'd have to be real lucky to survive as the Nobz need 3+ to hit and 2+ to wound while the Interceptors would need 4+ to hit and wound. Yeah, would have been a destroy with the Interceptors and Nobz killing each other.

I was going on about distances to demonstrate that the limit on interceptors shunting was well placed. And my last estimate was wrong. The interceptors would've moved a bit more like 110-120 ish inches in one game. Emphasizing the effect that move has on a game, as most infantry have to slog to get to objectives.

Right getcha. I thought you meant in one phase not over the entire game .

Just because they can move 12" per turn and 30" once does not mean they always move the max distance during the course of the game.

That being said, shunt is extremely powerful in objective games and yeah, it probably did effect the final outcome in one way or another.

Just another reason I read all the new codex's as they come out. I don't play GKs but I want to keep my opponents honest.

That's what I was thinking. You can't say a unit has moved X through out the game because depends if assaulting etc and how far is away from the enemy. Probably better to say could move a maximum during game.

Reading codexes is a smart idea. Know your enemy I say

You don't have a grandmaster so how did your interceptors claim an objective?

I see that in the end, the interceptors only contested the objective, but I was under the impression you thought that they could have claimed it.

In assault Interceptors charge and batter the Gretchin claiming the Ork objective.

Contest, they didn't claim

Wow this list looks almost exactly like my very own Crowe and friends list. I run 3x ten man squads of purifiers and three rhinos. I tend to combat squad them a lot though and leave the psycannon guys in the rhinos so they can zoom around and blast at things.

I also love the interceptors as well and run 2x ten man squads. I also run 2x Psyfledreads instead of three. If I edge into 2500 point territory I take a generic GM or Libby and a Dreadknight with heavy psycannon and heavy incinerator with the personal teleporter.

Glad to see the GK's came out triumphant and that a similar list can come out triumphant. I do think though this game would've have been a lot closer had you not shunted twice.

I totally agree on the shunting, god damn cheater lol

Merc, throw in some pics, I know you said you are waiting for the GKs to be finished but even rough overviews are nice.
You always give a good battlefield "feel" with you pics.
Dosent have to be up close and personal

Ya, Crowe doesn't do much.

You can park him on an objective next to another squad and hope to get him in on some multi-combat when you assault; that improves his performance a little.

His main role is as a character killer.

Send him against mephiston or a nightbringer, he get's his @ss handed to him, then he has a pretty good chance of killing that unit with heroic sacrifice.

Ratius wrote:Merc, throw in some pics, I know you said you are waiting for the GKs to be finished but even rough overviews are nice.
You always give a good battlefield "feel" with you pics.
Dosent have to be up close and personal

You're just mad for the piccies hey mate TBH I proxy the Grey Knights with my Angels only got a single unit of Purifiers so far that's why not pictures.

omerakk wrote:Ya, Crowe doesn't do much.

You can park him on an objective next to another squad and hope to get him in on some multi-combat when you assault; that improves his performance a little.

His main role is as a character killer.

Send him against mephiston or a nightbringer, he get's his @ss handed to him, then he has a pretty good chance of killing that unit with heroic sacrifice.

Tried Purifier list again on Sunday against mech Guard. Crowe is rubbish. Just about killed four Guardsmen. I really hate Crowe.

Great to see you pinned Orks vs Gk. Been waiting for that. Too bad the orks couldn't pull through. You should have played as orks

Yeah, maybe. I've got another bat rep to post in a bit with Orks and I think I am going to revise the list a bit. Stay tuned!