Wolf Guard equipment question.

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**Shock_Commando**

My gaming group friends and i aren´t english native speakers, but we play with the english version of the codixes, and we are having a little discussion about the exact meaning of the following text under the Wolf Guard Heavy Weapons entry, in the Space Wolfs codex.

We can read: "Up to one in three models in the Wolf Guard bodyguard (rounding fractions up) may be armed with one of the following heavy weapons each.)"

The problem is that some of us understand that you need three models in the squad to equip one of them with a heavy weapon, so six models are needed to purchase two heavy weapons, and other group thinks that you only need four models in the squad to equip two of them with a heavy weapon, because you can buy a heavy weapon for each group of models between one and three.

Can you help us to clarify this doubt?. Thxs you in advance, lads.

**dreddnott**

It looks like you need five models to get two heavy weapons.

The important part is (Rounding fractions up).

2 models w/heavy weapons out of 4 total would be one in two (not legal).
2 models w/heavy weapons out of 5 total would be one in two and a half (2.5 rounds up to 3, so legal!)
2 models w/heavy weapons out of 6 total would be one in three (legal of course).

**Lowinor**

4 Wolf Guard allow you to use two heavy weapons. Per the rules, you take the number of guard, divide it by three (getting 1 1/3), and then round the fraction up to two.

**Lordhat**

But have TWO of of FOUR models with a heavy wepaon is not permissable. So you need 5.

**Centurian99**

"Rounding fractions up."

Seems pretty simple for anyone who passed elementary school math.

**uncoolchris**

2 per 4. seem to recall it works on army builder too.

**Red_Shirt_Hero**

"Rounding fractions up."

Seems pretty simple for anyone who passed elementary school math.

Agreed. This was written in the UK, and certainly our primary school maths tells us Lowinor is right. 4 models divided by three is 1 1/3, or, put it another way "1 and a bit". Since "a bit" is the non-technical name for a fraction, that gets rounded up. So 2 out of the 4 can have Heavy Weapons.

**insaniak**

But have TWO of of FOUR models with a heavy wepaon is not permissable. So you need 5.

It doesn't say you can't have 2 out f 4 with heavies... it merely says one in three, rounding fractions up.

So if you have 4 models, you have 3 of 3 for one weapon, and 1 of 3 (or 1/3, which is a fraction, and therefore rounded up) for a second.

**BloodyT**

4 WG = 1 heavy weapon
5 WG = 2 heavy weapons
6 WG = 2 heavy weapons
7 WG = 2 heavy weapons
8 WG = 3 heavy weapons
9 WG = 3 heavy weapons

**Shock_Commando**

Posted By insaniak on 03/02/2006 4:29 PM
It doesn't say you can't have 2 out f 4 with heavies... it merely says one in three, rounding fractions up.

So if you have 4 models, you have 3 of 3 for one weapon, and 1 of 3 (or 1/3, which is a fraction, and therefore rounded up) for a second.

I agree with Insaniak. His reasoning seems to be the right way of equipping Wolf Guard models.

But i have a second question. What happens if we eliminate the words "(rounding fractions up)"?. Did we need six models to purchase two heavy weapons then?.

**SuperJohn**

I agree with Insaniak. I think BloodyT is slightly wrong and it should be:

3 WG = 1 heavy weapon
4 WG = 2 heavy weapons
5 WG = 2 heavy weapons
6 WG = 2 heavy weapons
7 WG = 3 heavy weapons
8 WG = 3 heavy weapons
9 WG = 3 heavy weapons

**Centurian99**

But i have a second question. What happens if we eliminate the words "(rounding fractions up)"?. Did we need six models to purchase two heavy weapons then?.

No then you have a situation where the rules don't say what to do. But happily, this time GW didn't drop the ball.

**Shock_Commando**

Ok, i will use another example then, taken from Codex: Chaos Space Marines to formulate a similar question.

In the entry "options" for the Chosen chaos space marines we can read: "Every third Chosen model in power armour in each unit or retinue may exchange their bolter for a weapon chosen from the following list...".

There isn´t reference about rounding fractions up, so, how many models will we need to equip two models with a lascannon (for example) instead of bolters?.

I´m sure that this question may look silly for english native speakers, but remember that me and my friends aren´t not , so thxs you again for your time and your help .

**Anvils Hammer**

the chaos entry is more clear

every third model..

1. may not be upgraded
2. may not be upgraded
3.- the third model, thus may be upgraded
4. may not be upgraded
5. may not be upgraded
6.- the second "third" model, thus may be upgraded

and so on.

**insaniak**

Yup... the Chaos entry is, IMO, the way the WG entry SHOULD have been worded.

**Centurian99**

the chaos entry is more clear

The WG entry is quite clear. Don't see what the difficulty is.

**Red_Shirt_Hero**

Yup... the Chaos entry is, IMO, the way the WG entry SHOULD have been worded.

But the diffferent wordings achieve slightly different things

I think BloodyT is slightly wrong and it should be:

3 WG = 1 heavy weapon
4 WG = 2 heavy weapons
5 WG = 2 heavy weapons
6 WG = 2 heavy weapons
7 WG = 3 heavy weapons
8 WG = 3 heavy weapons
9 WG = 3 heavy weapons

If GW had written "Every third Wolf Guard..." then small Wolf Guard units of 4 or 5 marines would have been at a disadvantage, whereas "every second Wolf Guard..." would have given bigger squads far too many HWs. As much as intent is disliked on this board, since RAW has been sorted, I put it in that at least here it seems to me that what GW have written in each case was intentional. To quote Centurian99

happily, this time GW didn't drop the ball.

**Shock_Commando**

Well, everything is quite clear now .

I agree with Insaniak in that the WG entry should have been worded like the the Chaos entry, but, as Red_Shirt_Hero pointed, the wording in each case seems to be intentional, so, no problem anyway .

Thank you very much, lads .

**Wolf Lord Duregar**

Why the Hell should the Wolf Guard entry be like the Chosen one´s? Space Wolves aren´t Chaos, their Codex was written before the Chaos one (the Chosen entry is more or less *stolen* from Codex: Space Wolves) and they have to include an IC at all times in their Pack/Squad.

Bloody nonsence!

**insaniak**

But the diffferent wordings achieve slightly different things

I realise that. The Chosen entry is less confusing, however.