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Hi folks.
This is my first draught of a Late War British list I hope to use.(11th armoured division sept 1944.)

CHQ.
2x Sherman V.

2 x Combat Platoons.

2x Sherman V &2 Sherman Vc.(each.)

2X Motor Platoons.
Command team, PIAT team & 2" mortar team. 3x MG teams.
All transported in 4 xM5 half tracks.

Scout Platoon.
3x Scout carriers.

SP AT section.
2 x M10 Achilees.

Heavy mortar section .
Command team, Spotter team.
4x 4,2" mortars.

This comes to 1685.(Leaving 65 pts for 0.5 cal AA and piat -transport upgrades etc.)

Only having played a few intro games at my LFGS.I realy want to get a (1750pt )army sorted out ready to buy, so I can join in the late war campain when V3 hard back arrives in my FLGS.

I was going to get the shermans first (appx 1000pts.)
Then add the 2 motor platoons and the Heavy mortar section (appx 1500pts.)
And round out with the Sp AT section and the scout section.(Up to 1750 pts.)

Any constructive critisism or alternative options you may suggest would be greatly apreciated.

British Shermans? That's a ballsy move. You have my respect.

Have you considered incorporating aircraft?

The Motor Infantry are pretty bad -- at 6 stands, they really cannot do much and are expensive - you may want to consider a different flavor of Infantry.

I would go up to 4 M10s -- they are really good if you keep them in cover and do not try to have a shootout with Panthers.

You may want to consider the 3" Mortars, as Arty is very unreliable and the 3" both cost less and come with 2 Observers.

Have you considered the lists from Turning Tide that let you take Chuchills? Slower than Leo DiCaprio in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, but upgrade 'em just right and it's pretty boss. Only Alllied tank that my 88s haven't sliced through without a second tought.

Hi folks.
Thanks for the replies.(I am a total noob at Fow so you comments are most welcome.)

I Have played lots of 6mm WWII ,(Mostly Firefly.)And was having trouble fitting in everything in 15mm scale!

@George Spiggott.
I was put off aircraft by the chaps at the FLGS, as they said they were very hit an miss.(I did have 2 flights of Typhoons in my 6mm list.)

Would Cromwells be more patriotic?Or does every one use infantry tanks (Churchill V-XI) in late war British lists?

@ Dirty Jon.
In 6mm my Motor Company was fine....obviously they dont scale up to 15mm that well.
I will look at Lorried Infantry.

Ill increase the M10s to 4.
I can not use the 3" mortars with an (11th) Armoured Company.(The 4.2 " mortars were the cheapest Artillery option available!).And I can only take 4 x 3" mortars with an infantry list anyway.(for 35pts less than the 4.2" Mortars.)

Would it be better to have Low or Priority air support instead?

Or should I go without ary-air strikes?
Thanks for the exellent feed back.

FlyDog.
Having played lots of Late war British in 6mm scale.Churchills slow slog across the battle field realy impacted negativley on my battle plan.(They took so long to get in to combat all the other units killed off the opposition before they got there!)
Maybe they are not as bad in FoW?

Anyhow Ill take on board what you said and see if I can tweek this list a bit.

I just ran a Churchill list from Turning Tide.

Tank Sqn
Sqn HQ
- 2 x Churchill VII tanks (Upgraded)

Combat Platoons
- 1 x Churchill VII Tp Cmdr and 2 x Churchill VI w/ applique armour
- 1 x Churchill VII Tp Cmdr and 2 x Churchill VI w/ applique armour

Coprs & Div Support Platoons
- Rifle Pl (3rd Div. - Pl HQ w/ PIAT team, light mortar and 3 x rifle/ MG sections
- Rifle Pl (3rd Div. - Pl HQ w/ PIAT team, light mortar and 3 x rifle/ MG sections
- Carrier Pl - 2 x Carrier Patrols
- Typhoon Flight (Limited Air)
- Corps AT Pl (SP): 4 x M10C 17 pdr

Came out right close to 1750pts. I have since traded away the army. While it was fun standing up to Tigers and heavy AT guns, I became a bit bored with it. As for a Cromwell force from TT, there is 7th Armd Div (Reluctant trained) Armd Sqn or Armd Recce Sqn. For an all Commonwealth Sherman force, the only option in TT is 4th CDN Armd Div. (Confident Trained) which includes the Armd Sqn or Armd Recce Sqn.

Your list for the 4th CDN would be (Based on your 11th Armd Div.):

Armd Sqn
Sqn HQ
- 2 x Sherman V: 135pts

Combat Pls
- CDN Armd Tp - 3 x Sherman V and 1 x Sherman FF VC (No option for any other VCs): 290pts
- CDN Armd Tp - 3 x Sherman V and 1 x Sherman FF VC (No option for any other VCs): 290pts

Brigade Support Pls
- Motor Pl - Pl HQ w/ PIAT team, light mortar team, 3 x MG teams and 4 x M5 half-tracks: 120pts
(No option for a second Motor Pl.)

Corps & Div. Support Pls
- Lorried Rifle Pl - Pl HQ w/ PIAT team, light mortar, 3 x rifle/ MG sections (Not teams) and optional 2 x 3-ton lorries: 155pts
- Corps AT Pl (SP) - 4 x M10C 17 pdrs: 260pts

There is no option for 3" or 4.2" mortars in these lists.

At this point you would be sitting pretty at 1250pts. I would look to SP AA, Limited Air, and Recce elements. Maybe even a four gun battery of Sextons. These are just some thoughts thrown at you to get the list building juices flowing. I went with a CDN armd unit because, well, I am a Canuk.

HI Combat enginerr,
What rating are the Canadians ?(Confident trained?)
Those PV seem low.
(11th armoured list was confident veteran,)
Ill work on some more lists,thanks for the help and advise.

The CDN 4th is indeed Confident Trained. Looked over the points again and they add up to 1250pts. leaves you 500pts to burn.


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Again, this is just an alternative to your 11th Armd. I'm not trying to push a list on you.

What brief is the 11th Armd out of?




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Also, the 290pt Sherman Tps have no .50cal added, so take that into consideration.

Hi.
The IIth armoured /Guards divisions for Op market garden.(Free to down load briefing on FoW website.)
15th& 51st highland divisions are on there too.(That allow Churchills )

I just wanted something to build a British list from.(I will be getting the mission briefings with the full rule book later in the year.)

I wasnt saying your PV were wrong!
Its just you seem to pay a lot more for veteran units ...(EG. HQ 2x Sherman V 135 go to 175.)

Are they worth the extra points it in game terms?(Skill test on 3+ as opposed to 4+)
(The Shermans in the 11th have optional .50 call AA too.)

Are aircraft supposed to be better in 3rd ed ?

Would a flight of typhoons (Priority 220) be better than a battery of 4 Sextons(275) for example?

Sorry about all the quetions ...but I am new to FoW.

I go with priority air in my 3rd CDN. My opponents are either a 21. Panzer Beute StuG (Or is it StuG Beute? Whatever...) and a a FJ list using a Jagdpanther. Aircraft, according to the players that have the new FoW 3rd edition say aircraft are much more deadlier.

I would think, especially for an armd csqn, that going from CV to CT would not be a huge issue. Two of my three armies are trained, and i enjoy the way they play. I also enjoy the fact that I am gettting more pls in a list than my opponents. My 5. SS list has a lot of pls, which catches players off guard. Most think they are a veteran list like the other SS armies, but their trained.

Another friend plays a Guards list from Hell's Highway. Your list reminds me of his, though he went with US AB pls as a inf. support.

Thanks for the info.

I was put off the Guards divisions, becuase they are even more expensive due to being unflappable!
And you have to take 2 combat squads AND a Brigade support as compulsory.(2 tank platoons and one Motor platoon , or 2motor platoons and one tank platoon.)

And the american Airboure are very expensive Fearless Veterans!

My 2 flights of typhoons served me well in 6mm , so I might go for them again in FoW.

Ill look at the 15th Highland div(CT) infantry list again.

And see if I can rejig the 11th Armoured to make it a bit more survivable...

Thanks again for your help.

Why does Dakka insert "please" in place of platoons (pls)?

The 7th Armored is actually reluctant veteran, not reluctant trained.

Another alternative is to go with one of the Infantry Beach Assault Divisions, and then mix in tanks. You can get two or three platoons in most of the lists, and Churchill Crocs, even with the nerf to flamethrowers, are amazing.

Yep, typo on my part.

Hi folks.
Been looking at the Cromwell list for the 11th armoured.

List 1

15th /19th Kings Royal Hussars.(Confident Trained.)

Armoured Recce Company.
Squadron HQ.(155.)
2x Cromwell IV.

4 Combat Platoons .(260 each.)
2x Cromwell IV , 1 Challanger A 30,

Weapons platoons.(Regimental support.)

Lutterells CS platoon(210)
Lutterell CS Cromwell.
3x Cromwell CS.
((95mm Howitzer with HE & Smoke.Allows re-roll for Ranging In and Bogged Down.)

Scout Platoon.(75)
3 x Dingo Scout cars.

Divisional Support.(Confedent veteran.)

Rifle Platoon.(180)
Command Rifle team , Piat team, lt Mortar team.
3 x Rifle /MG Squads.(6x Rifle MG teams.)In 2 x3 ton Lorries

Lt AA section.(90)
Rifle comand team in Jeep.
3x 40mm Bofors towed by 3 AA tractors.

18 tanks!

List 2.
15th/19th Kings Rpyal Hussars(Confident trained.)
Squadron HQ.(155)
2x Cromwell IV.


2 Combat Platoons.(230 each.)
3x Cromwell

Scout Platoon.(75)
3x Dingo scout cars.

(Confident VETERAN.)

2x Rifle Platoons(180 Each.)
Command Rifle Team, Piat Team, lt Mortar Team.
3x Rifle /MG Squads(6x Rifle MG teams.)
Carried in 2x 3 ton lorries.

SP Anti Tank Platoon.(340).
4x M10 Achilees.

SP AA Platoon.(130)
Command rifle Team in Jeep.
3x SP Bofors.

Priority Air Support.(220.)
Flight of typhoons,

Ill have a look at the Highlanders infantry lists (With Churchill support.)

I am partial to list two because of the Typhoons. I have a lot of sucess with those pricks.

However, ploping all of your heavy AT assets into one pl seems like a bit of a risk, which draws me back to the first list.

Except, I don't know enough about Lutterell. Could you give me a quick brief on him?

Mat

Hi.
Captian Luttrell Is the 15th/19th Kings Royal Hussars Gunnery Officer.(An expert at firing Cromwel VI CS 95mm howitzers.)

He is a Warrior mounted in a Command Cromwell CS , and commands a Special Cromwell CS Platoon of 1 ,2 or 5 aditional Cromwell CS.(All the regiments available CS Cromwells are put under his command.)(2 ,4 or 6 tanks in total for 110,210,310 respectivley.)

Cromwell VI CS .Fully Tracked 6/4/1 CoAxial MG, Hull MG. Light Tank, Protected Ammo ,Tow Hook.

OQF 95mm 24" /2 /7 /3+/ Smoke.
Bombardment 48"/- /4/ 5+/Smoke Bombardment.

This seems like a better alternative to Sextons.
(Better armour, 6/4/1/ instead of 1/0/0.turreted main weapon not hull mounted.and also faster light tank.This makes up for shorter bombardment range 48" not 80".and the loss of 2 Anti tank value for direct firing , i intend to use other units for AT work anyway.)

His Platoon Can re-roll the first Ranging In roll.And can re -roll to escape Bogged Down if they fail.

Do you have to deploy both sections of ther SP Anti-Tank Platoon together?Or can they be deployed independantly .(2 groups of 2 M10 Achilees.)

Also how much infantry can be carried on a tank.(11th armoured allow infantry to ride on tanks.)
Is it One rifle team per tank?


Sorry about all these questions, but I do apreciate all the help you are giving me...

I believe the AT SP Pl needs to be deployed as a pl. Notg sure on the tank riders.

Hi.
My mate at the FLGS said I should concider the 1st Polish Armoured Division.(Free Briefing !)

Fearless Trained.

Armoured Squadron HQ .
2 Sherman V, 1 Sherman Vc.

2 Combat platoons.
3 Sherman V , 1 Sherman Vc.

Brigade Support.

Scout Squadron.
3 Universal carriers.
2 with extra hull MG, 1 with hull Piat.

Rifle platoon.
Command Team, Piat Team, lt mortar team.
3x Rifle /MG Squads.(6 xRifle /MG teams.)

Divisional Support.

SP AT Platoon.
4 x M10 Achilees.

Lt AA platoon.
Command team in jeep,
3 x SP Bofors.

Priority Air Support .
3x Typhoons.

Is this a bit better list?

There is the option to take 2 Crusader AA tanks ,(Twin 20mm cannon.) Would this be enough AA ?This would allow me to put .05 cal AA on some tanks too.
I have no idea how effective air support and AA is.

Thanks for advise in advance,,,

Good call, saves you money in the short term. Go with it if you like, just don't put decals on your tanks as they will be Polish, leave them all decal free and you can plays (Canucks, Yanks, Brits, Poles or even Russkies as we supplied them western tanks too!).

Once you've played some games got the FOW bug, you'll be away collecting all sorts.

Any of the lists you are working with would make armies. Mwnciboo has given excellent advise in his last post. Leave army markings off your models, then try out some of the different lists. I am not sure what the Polish have for special rules, but the army list seems pretty good. I would go with the additional crusader AA as well.

Mat