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2012/03/29 22:44:58
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
Some people don't like basing their models, and even I make them very simple, so I think that the requirement that models are based should be removed from P&M Showcase.
2012/03/29 23:06:38
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
It only takes two minutes to base a model. GW have just released a paint that bases the model for you to speed it up even more. Oh and War Mill sell clear bases which looks awesome and don't even require paint.
Because of those things i can't imagine the requirement will be removed.
It really depends on what someone's definition of a 'finished model' is; whilst the showcase forum lists it as being painted and based; I myself believe a finished model only has to be painted, therefore unless I base my model (which I may not wish to do for various reasons, regardless of how quick or easy people believe it to be) I will not be able to show it in the showcase forum, despite it being, for all intents and purposes, 'finished'.
I think we can all agree that a finished model is at the very least expected to be painted, and so showing a half-painted model in showcase isn't going to fly, but if one person's idea of 'finished' does not include basing, then they are not allowed to display it in the relevant forum.
As quick or easy as basing is, demanding that it be done before you may call it 'finished' is, to me, rather absurd.
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2012/03/30 00:19:27
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
I'm sure if you showed a model without its base, on a pin or whatever and gave your reason there would be no issue. It's not an automated robotic delete, the MODs are human remember.
Removing the base does not solve the issue. Why would I potentially ruin a model I just painted by snapping the base off it?
I'm well aware that Mods are human, but rules are rules, and either they are unfair and enforced, or fairer and changed to incorporate it; having a basing requirement and then not enforcing it seems strange, which is why I support its removal.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
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"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2012/03/30 02:50:36
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
LostSoulCasey'sLaw wrote:It only takes two minutes to base a model. GW have just released a paint that bases the model for you to speed it up even more. Oh and War Mill sell clear bases which looks awesome and don't even require paint.
Because of those things i can't imagine the requirement will be removed.
That is beside the point, if someone paints up a model, doesn't base it and say it is finished, who are we to say that if you want to show it off, you have it based.
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2012/03/30 03:15:23
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
Speaking as someone who Yellow Friend Buttons those images which have "unfinished bases" here is the criteria I use:
Is the base covered in paint of various colors?
If yes--it's unfinished.
Is the base all one color?
If yes--it's finished.
It's fairly clear when a model is "all finished", and that is when everything is brought together in a coherent way. Even if you're not going to put flock down or anything like that; you can still take the time to paint the base all one color.
2012/03/30 03:37:01
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
Kanluwen wrote:Speaking as someone who Yellow Friend Buttons those images which have "unfinished bases" here is the criteria I use:
Is the base covered in paint of various colors?
If yes--it's unfinished.
Is the base all one color?
If yes--it's finished.
It's fairly clear when a model is "all finished", and that is when everything is brought together in a coherent way. Even if you're not going to put flock down or anything like that; you can still take the time to paint the base all one color.
Unfortunately, your definition of 'finished' does not apply to everyone, which is where the debate starts; who are you to say a person's model is not finished if they believe it is?
If I haven't 'ard coated gems on a model, but I don't think it's necessary to do so and thus say that the model is finished, would you disallow me from posting it because it doesn't fit your requirements? If yes, then what gives you the right? Why should I have to add something that I might not only dislike, but believe will actively ruin my model, just so that I am allowed to call it finished by your standards?
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2012/03/30 04:10:36
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
Avatar 720 wrote:
Unfortunately, your definition of 'finished' does not apply to everyone, which is where the debate starts; who are you to say a person's model is not finished if they believe it is?
Someone who reads the rules of the Showcase?
Not trying to be mean or anything, but it says quite clearly here:
2) That means the base too. Some games/lines/types of dioramas might use unpainted/flocked bases, and if that's the case it will undoubtedly still look neat and clean and finished and we'll be able to tell by context. But for most wargaming models a completed model means a completed and nice base too.
A base with slops of paint around on it isn't "neat and clean and finished".
If I haven't 'ard coated gems on a model, but I don't think it's necessary to do so and thus say that the model is finished, would you disallow me from posting it because it doesn't fit your requirements? If yes, then what gives you the right? Why should I have to add something that I might not only dislike, but believe will actively ruin my model, just so that I am allowed to call it finished by your standards?
'Ard Coated gems on a model aren't something which would necessarily make it "neat and clean and finished".
Is your model fully painted?
Are you going to work on it more?
Is your base covered with random colors of paint from what you worked on, but you have not flocked said base?
If you answer "yes" to the last two--it's unfinished.
2012/03/30 05:18:14
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
We'll allow models with a plain base, if the poster makes clear that it is intentional, and it's clean & neat.
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I think I've seen unbased there before, the point of the board really is that it's finished. Which in the case of doing nothing with the base simply means you've bothered to clean it up when you're done.
LostSoulCasey'sLaw wrote:It only takes two minutes to base a model. GW have just released a paint that bases the model for you to speed it up even more. Oh and War Mill sell clear bases which looks awesome and don't even require paint.
Because of those things i can't imagine the requirement will be removed.
That is beside the point, if someone paints up a model, doesn't base it and say it is finished, who are we to say that if you want to show it off, you have it based.
If you are going to go down that path you have to start saying, "Well they have only painted the arm of their Space Marine but they say it's finished so who are we to argue!" And that's clearly the point of view of an imbecile. Their are standards for a reason.
I'm all for moving the bar and changing the standards to suit most people but as i said, and Mannahnin backed it up, if you had the model on a clean base and explained your reasons you wouldn't be punished for it.
Grakmar wrote:Mr. Eastwood, I honestly am confused here. Are you leaving your bases the bare black plastic and calling that "finished"?
I'm not personally; I prefer my models based and I do it when I get around to it. But I can see how some people would wish to do that, and I see no reason why it should not be allowed so long as they've taken some effort to clean up streaks on the base.
@Kan, I know what the rules of the showcase say, but nowhere did I state that bases with slops of paint on them should be allowed, I said that unbased models should be allowed. If the models aren't going to be flocked or coated in sand or other rubble, then some effort needs to be made to have them some sort of uniform appearance. If you've got a veritable paint palette on your base, then it's not going to look very nice. Re-painting it black, however, should be fine.
@Mannahnin, is it possible to get included in the rules? Just to avoid deterring people if anything. It currently allows for dioramas or games that use unbased models but it isn't clear if someone is allowed to do this for other models, even if it's intentional.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2012/03/30 15:42:06
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
Casey's Law wrote:It only takes two minutes to base a model. GW have just released a paint that bases the model for you to speed it up even more. Oh and War Mill sell clear bases which looks awesome and don't even require paint.
Because of those things i can't imagine the requirement will be removed.
Can I see a link to this? I haven't heard of this before...........
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2012/03/30 16:26:36
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
No problem bombboy, looks like a nice shortcut if you are pushed for time:
Games Workshop wrote:Citadel Texture paints are designed to provide a swift, effective solution to detailing your bases. They contain a mixture of both coarse and fine grit, which forms a rough, grainy surface that is ideal for drybrushing and ready for further detailing. They give strong, effective coverage over both black and white undercoats.
Here is the product. Here is the video(Skip to 3.25 if you don't want to see the rest):
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Casey's Law wrote:No problem bombboy, looks like a nice shortcut if you are pushed for time:
Games Workshop wrote:Citadel Texture paints are designed to provide a swift, effective solution to detailing your bases. They contain a mixture of both coarse and fine grit, which forms a rough, grainy surface that is ideal for drybrushing and ready for further detailing. They give strong, effective coverage over both black and white undercoats.
Here is the product. Here is the video(Skip to 3.25 if you don't want to see the rest):
Oh.....my......god. I really didn't want to go and base all of my Boyz, but this.......this is beautiful..........Thanks for the link Casey!
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2012/03/30 18:45:25
Subject: Removal of Based requirement from Showcase
Shredsmore wrote:Some people don't like basing their models, and even I make them very simple, so I think that the requirement that models are based should be removed from P&M Showcase.
Some people don't like painting models either. In both your and my cases, the Showcase is not for them.
It's neither hard or time consuming to spraypaint a bases with textured paint from Lowe's; anyone with $3 and absolutely no skill can do hundreds of bases in this fashion. I must give this petition/idea two thumbs down.
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh oh oh, I had another idea for people who don't like painting bases - clear acrylic bases! Those look nice as well.
Avatar 720 wrote:
Unfortunately, your definition of 'finished' does not apply to everyone, which is where the debate starts; who are you to say a person's model is not finished if they believe it is?
If I haven't 'ard coated gems on a model, but I don't think it's necessary to do so and thus say that the model is finished, would you disallow me from posting it because it doesn't fit your requirements? If yes, then what gives you the right? Why should I have to add something that I might not only dislike, but believe will actively ruin my model, just so that I am allowed to call it finished by your standards?
The standard painting and modeling forum is perfect for displaying pictures of models that you consider done, but are not based.
The Showcase forum is for pics of models that include a painted base. Nobody is forcing anyone to paint the bases of their models, but if they want to post pics of them in the showcase forum, then those models need to have a painted base. Otherwise, the standard painting and modeling forum will work perfectly fine to post pictures of models with unpainted bases.
I think the standard rules are fine. We're not talking fancy bases
or anything. Let me show you some examples that will pass and
examples that will not:
And then here's a finished mini from ifalna's commission blog:
As you can see, the miniature is complete, but the base needs
cleaning. This picture is perfectly fine in blogs, not yet ready for
Showcase.
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