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So after my last report (see in this section) I have decided that I would like some bow support, it's an aching weakness at the moment. Trackers though as orcs with bows are more of a waste of time than a teen chick-flick.

The problem is, I just can't make it balance to what I want

Warband 1:
Captain w/ shield
5 Orcs w/ shield
3 Orcs w/ spear
2 Orcs w/ 2h
1 Orc w/ banner

135pts

Warband 2:
Captain w/ bow
2 Spectres
6 Orc Trackers w/ bow

111pts

Total: 246 pts, Count 21, BP 12, Bow count 7 (33%)

I have got more guys in there which is always good but I can't help but feel it isn't solid enough, maybe I need to drop the banner? It would earn me a further 4 orcs? Would they make up for the rerolls? Or 4 orcs and a tracker with my 4 pts left maybe?

Thoughts peoples please, ta

Drop them all and get a different army

But back on topic, I have very litel exprerience with Orcs, but I dare say in such smal games even they need them. Sorry for not being more helpful,

That made me chuckle

Yeh it seems that way, might drop the banner for numbers in a game to see the difference as the banner did almost nothing for me last time. It's cool man, thanks for the reply

Hehe yea Ireconed it would. Yes numbers migth just be as effective in such smal games really

yeah, in things like 250 pts you can easily get away without the banner.

I think you should add more orcs or fit in a third spectre.

I doubt the bows will be too effective in such small games. So maybe drop the bows and add more spirits? tarpit with the orcs and use your spectres to pull enemies into mobs of orcs for the advantages you want in combats.

Can you get orc trackers in the angmar army list?
I'd drop the banner as well. As has already been said you can get away without having one and those extra orks will make your forces easier to break

I'd keep the bows, however. Last report you had none so this time you should max out on them see how effective they are

Yeah, give the bows a try. But i was just thinking that orcs are not known for their skills at shooting and at such a low points cost i didn't think you would be getting enough shots to really do much.

I see angmar as more of a control based force, with their spirits with terror and possession and paralyze and things of that sort.. So i feel more spectres would be more effective than the archers.

I solemnly agree


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Noobie2k7 wrote:Yeah, give the bows a try. But i was just thinking that orcs are not known for their skills at shooting .

Trackers have a 4+ shoot value

really? well, that is not too bad XD

Yeh I only consider them cos they're shoot 4+ and only half a dozen points each, a real bargain

Does the shade in SBG do the same as in WotR? Like drop all ft value around it to 2.

That could be useful, specially allowing the equal playing field then you'd have numbers and fight just as well as them.

I suggest not taking spectres for this, and take a shade!

That'll really help the orks win CC.

Tis what i thought, but wasn't sure what they did in SBG.

Are trackers 6 points or 5 points? I'm to lazy to go and get my book

Noobie2k7 wrote:Does the shade in SBG do the same as in WotR? Like drop all ft value around it to 2.

That could be useful, specially allowing the equal playing field then you'd have numbers and fight just as well as them.

Dr. What wrote:I suggest not taking spectres for this, and take a shade!

That'll really help the orks win CC.

Not at 100pts a piece they don't! I wouldn't have an army in 250 I won't feature a shade under 500pts. They lower the 'to win combat' roll by one noobie to all enemies in 6"

deathstreak2000 wrote:Are trackers 6 points or 5 points? I'm to lazy to go and get my book

6 w/ bow

I'm delighted to inform you that they are only 5 points with a bow (it comes in their standard equip!)

I swear I can't read would make sense though as they lack armour and therefore should have something else to make up the points More the merrier!

well at only 5pts a pop that really is not to be sniffed at i suppose. Specially if they have 4+ shoot. Test them and then if they don't do as well then test more spectres.

I like the idea of a Shade and a Banner working together. That'd be interesting to see.

But not at 250pts. that's half of your points gone.

Dr. What wrote:I like the idea of a Shade and a Banner working together. That'd be interesting to see.

Noobie2k7 wrote:But not at 250pts. that's half of your points gone.

Would be viable in 750, however

Dr. What wrote:I like the idea of a Shade and a Banner working together. That'd be interesting to see.

That's what I've been thinking about but I wouldn't choose it for anything less than tourney points for me (700)

So it's decided at 5pts a pop, trackers, definitely!

Captain w/ shield
6 Orcs w/ shield
4 Orcs w/ spear
2 Orcs w/ 2h

129pts

Captain w/ bow
3 Spectres
6 Orc Trackers

120pts

Total 249pts, Model Count 24, Bow Count 7, BP 13

Now this is looking a lot better, still got a trio of spectres going so even if my trackers get deployed into trouble they can help delay the enemy advance while I fire and retreat. Also still a solid block to take on an enemy formation and a good store of might to swing things my way when I really need it. Despite the inclusion of the point eating spectre I still have a really high model count for such a small game, it even comes close to my dirty moria 250

So I'm chuffed but what do you guys think? And thanks for your help of course

I likey

As you said, high model count, plenty of might for 250 and spectras for some trickyness

BTW do you know heros with bows don't count toward the bow limit (not that you spare points for another tracker) . h

Yeh, just wanted that little influence to help ease the game my way like last time

They don't? !! I re-shuffled it cos I thought I went over!! Never mind I prefer this combo instead

Yeah, it's only warriors that count for bow limit.


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Tis why in my harad every hero has a bow. (except the taskmaster or wraith or ones that cannot have em)

Well now I know Think I will get this half dozen at the end of the month and the knights of minas tirith will have to wait

awwhs. But the knights are awesome. But i suppose the trackers only come in packs of 3.

Yeh it's a real pain in the a$$. But hey it means I have an optimized 250 list and something to look forward to making and painting in June too

Very true. Do you not find though that Dol Amroth knights are better than normal KoMT?