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Space Wolves 1500 pts.

HQ:
Rune Priest
Wolf Lord - Frost Weapon, Belt of Russ, Saga of the Bear/Warrior Born


Troops:
5x Grey Hater - Melta Gun, Razorback w/ Lascannon and Twin-Plasma (Rune Priest goes here)
5x Grey Hater - Melta Gun, Razorback w/ Lascannon and Twin-Plasma
5x Grey Hater - Melta Gun, Razorback w/ Lascannon and Twin-Plasma
9x Grey Hater - Melta Gun, Rhino


Elites:
5x Wolf Guard - Multi Melta, Wolf Claw, Razorback w/ Lascannon and Twin-Plasma (Wolf Lord goes here)
3x Wolf Guard - 3x Wolf Claw, 3x Combi Melta (Split into squad leaders)

Heavy Support:
6x Long Fangs - 4x Missile, Lascannon
Predator - Lascannon sponsons

1499 pts.
Suggestions?

Looks like a solid list that has a great amount of mech. for 1500pts.

Parking lot gets the job done, looks very nice, i would do this had i had the razorbacks.

nvm looks good for a start
and reccomend LL and MH for the runepriest

Which saga is your lord taking? He has to pick one.
Also, it is Grey Hunter, not hater.
What RP powers did you pick?
I would think about PF rather than WC, but that's personal preference.

Nasty for 1500.

pretre wrote:Which saga is your lord taking? He has to pick one.

I think he's putting it like that, saying he'll switch between them depending on what he's facing. Since they're both the same point cost, it's irrelevant which one he picks, as long as he only takes one.
(Let me clarify, that it's irrelevant for his points cost, not the play style. So where it doesn't change the points which one he uses, it will change the tactics on which one he picks.)

I'd probably drop the Predator and pick up another LF pack kitted the same way you have your first one kitted. Gives you 2 more shots of Str8 vs the Predator. The only thing the Predator can do the LF's can't is move and shoot one heavy weapon.

Other than that, it's not a bad list at all. Probably do very well.

Yeah, just pick one. Switching powers/wargear/etc, even when it is the same cost, before a game is basically tailoring and not cool.

Mmm...that's debatable. I mean the switch he has between those 2 powers isn't all that much. If you're talking switching out entire units, then yeah I would tend to agree but a saga on one guy isn't going to make me sweat bullets.

Because if that one saga is enough to wreck my army, then I have a terrible build in the first place. Just sayin.

Fexor wrote:Because if that one saga is enough to wreck my army, then I have a terrible build in the first place. Just sayin.

The thing you are changing isn't the relevant part. The fact that you are tailoring your army for your opponent is. IMHO, if you build a TAC list you don't need to change it for your opponent.

Just played a game vs the list with a few changes ( The lists in the game ), it was a pretty good game,but the
list had horrific problems killing assault termies (oh well everyone does at 1,5k,
but they were able to literally walk across half of the board to the long fangs),
caused mainly by how fragile the AP 2 weapons are, and that the meltaguns really
don't have many enough shots. Otherwise the list is pretty solid. Still I don't
really get the idea of SW preds but whatever floats your boat...

Also I prefer the haters to the hunters, and don't mind the little switch of
powers/sagas, it's better than fighting the same exact army all the time!

Depending on the Rune Priest, he can slow down or make short work of Assault Termies (Murderous Hurricane is nice for deathstars).

I am running two RP right now. One LL/MH, one LL/Jaws.

Good to hear though.

Hurricane is very good, but all of his powers were caught in the psychic hood so it didn't really matter
Btw how does he simply make short work of guys with 2+/3++? o.o

Also I don't think just bare 5 assault termies is really a deathstar, just a tough assault unit.

Anyway it was a fun game

EnormousName wrote:Btw how does he simply make short work of guys with 2+/3++? o.o

Make it so every step they take is dangerous terrain and shoot them to death with small arms fire? They may not be a big deathstar, but they die the same way most do: either ignore them or concentrate on them; don't half-ass it.

If it's a friendly game and before he sees my list he wants to make the change, I'm ok with that.

League play, well they have their own rules.

Anyways, back on topic, it's a fine list that will serve you well. Just make sure to clear the saga choice before you start playing.

pretre wrote:

EnormousName wrote:Btw how does he simply make short work of guys with 2+/3++? o.o

Make it so every step they take is dangerous terrain and shoot them to death with small arms fire? They may not be a big deathstar, but they die the same way most do: either ignore them or concentrate on them; don't half-ass it.

Ahh, you were a bit unclear on that, the sentence implied that the RP himself finishes them, but I get what you are saying. What I did
vs this list though was to shoot every razor to get a shake or better so they cant shoot, which was easy thanks to av11 being quite weak,
so stunlocking them wasnt really hard. I don't really rely on the termies anyway, they are mainly a fire magnet, (and awesome at that)
but if they are ignored they can do rather a lot.

But for the sake of OP let's keep this on topic ok?

Well, sure. If you guys want to trade ball-punches before the game and are both good with it, go for it.

It is still a bad habit (and a crutch) to pick up for when you play with other people.

How about switching the wolf lord for a 2nd RP?

Maybe getting JotWW and probs hurricane?
Another LL could help a lot with transports, really.

If he's looking to make big changes to the list, I would go for either a second RP or a TWC Lord. I'm a big fan of a TWC Lord with SS/WC, SotB and Runic.

5x Wolf Guard - Multi Melta, Wolf Claw, Razorback w/ Lascannon and Twin-Plasma (Wolf Lord goes here)

This confuses me where are they getting the multi-melta?
And to me it seems like the RP is wasted inside of the the razorback unless he is giving cover bonus?

Yeah, I thought a LL RP in the Rhino with the GH would be a good idea. Also, if you're going to take 9 GH, you should take a Wolf Standard.


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I think he meant Combi-Melta.

pretre wrote:If he's looking to make big changes to the list, I would go for either a second RP or a TWC Lord. I'm a big fan of a TWC Lord with SS/WC, SotB and Runic.

Seems like a good idea at least with the version he used against me (with 3 TWC), at least I'd give it a shot.

Grey elder wrote:This confuses me where are they getting the multi-melta?
And to me it seems like the RP is wasted inside of the the razorback unless he is giving cover bonus?

Well I'm sure he meant combi-melta, but yeah the RP should probs be out of vehicles/in a rhino driving combat speed.
But I'm not a SW player so I don't really know.

In my Bjorn list, I actually run 2 RP in rhinos doing exactly that. Turns a rhino into a Psychic Razorback.

Yeah, a mini TWC deathstar in an otherwise shooty list is a good thing to go with. My normal SW list has the TWC lord and 2-3 TWC plus a butt-ton of shooting.

Personally unless you are focusing for CC drop the lord and move the points to Long range fire power, or even another rune priest with troops and a open topped transport.
Second, drop the razorback and pick up a rhino, the RP will love you, this alos makes a mini razorback where the melta can work if needed.
Lastly, for heavens sake drop the Pred, and the wolf guard for the same price you can pick up one more LF unit and another razorback gives you more then enough mobile fire power.
lastly drop gey hunters to 8 and add the rune priest to them.
Not to sure about about points but with a little tinkering this is feasible.