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2012/05/21 12:57:04
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Personally I hope they both get whats coming to them and get wiped out. I don't particularly see any shades of grey in either faction, which you can see in the Lannisters and the Greyjoys. I mean one of them enjoys flaying people alive whilst the other are a bunch of snivelling little gitz.
Spoiler:
Plus the Red Wedding
Ideally I would like to see
*Arya gets her vengence on Roose Bolton and the Walders
*Daenerys brings the Dragons to Westeros burning the Twins and the Dreadfort to the ground since those houses supported the Lannisters
*Petyr Baelish gives the Freys a taste of their own medicine.
*The Others show the Boltons what real evil looks like
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2012/05/21 13:03:34
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
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2012/05/21 13:06:40
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2012/05/21 13:08:10
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
It has been a rather consistent theme in A Song of Ice and Fire
Also Arya's list of Vengence must be insanely long now. Unless shes just using Walder to demarcate his entire 'brood'.
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I wonder how good Arya's going to be once she completes her training as an assasian. Obviously she'll have jobs and I think cross Daenerys path but she could be good enough to get into the Twins at night and go dance in the red rain whilst they're all sleeping.
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2012/05/21 13:22:15
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
mattyrm wrote:Red wedding.. I hope they get crushed utterly.
Gotta say, I'm in complete agreement with Matty again...
I really really hate the Freys after the Red Wedding... And Ramsay Bolton has struck me as a really horrible person. Roose Bolton slightly less so, but he's still not a particularly nice chap...
Theon should get a merciful death, ASAP. Ramsay Bolton deserves something different.
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2012/05/21 13:26:52
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Orlanth wrote:Theon should get a merciful death, ASAP
No, he shouldn't.
There's arguments both ways for that...
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On the one hand, he's a traitor and a turncloak, and should be given a traitors death. On the other, Ramsay has broken him. Completely. No more than he deserves, but a quick death now that he's a broken man would be a small mercy for him.
On the one hand, he's a traitor and a turncloak, and should be given a traitors death. On the other, Ramsay has broken him. Completely. No more than he deserves, but a quick death now that he's a broken man would be a small mercy for him.
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He killed two completely innocent young kids and mutilated their bodies because he couldn't find the Starks. It would've been better if he'd caught the Starks, because at least their death would be justified (it's part of the risk of power). But just grabbing two kids and murdering them because they're roughly the same size as the Starks? Torture is too good for him.
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2012/05/21 14:33:34
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
He killed two completely innocent young kids and mutilated their bodies because he couldn't find the Starks. It would've been better if he'd caught the Starks, because at least their death would be justified (it's part of the risk of power). But just grabbing two kids and murdering them because they're roughly the same size as the Starks? Torture is too good for him.
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We're partly in agreement I think, I never said that he didn't deserve the torturing he's getting at Ramsay's hands... But I would still be inclined to grant him a quick death now. He's served his time as "Reek", lost a fair number of his fingers and toes by having the skin flayed off, and is by all accounts completely unrecognisable as the man he once was. He's broken now. Further torture will do very little for him. I personally would just kill him now and have done with it. It remains to be seen what will actually happen though.
Theon is under A LOT of peer pressure. Pretty much everyone from his sister, to his father and his soldiers think he is pretentious and effeminate. Hes also in a warrior culture that keeps pushing that your leaders should be ruthless and thats the only way to earn respect.Then the escape and chase plus the insecurity of his own position aggrovates him to breaking point. However, Theon over-steps the mark. Even his sister, who is a perfect Iron Islander is shocked that he'd murdered some kids and tied them up. So basically, you kind of can see him as a victim since he is pushed from a lot of angles into doing this.
Also, you should keep in perspective. Arya saw A LOT of dead civilians and children murdered by Ser Gregor Clegane's men and the Boltons. So whilst Theon killed only two after being pushed, the other factions have murdered hundreds systematically on Lord Tywins orders. Some of which are outright sadistic. I'am not forgiving Theon, but he was pushed and I wouldn't rule out him finding redemption. Sure Theon is full of ego, vain and weak but hes not in the same category as the Mountain or Bolton. Plus, they're like the Mandalorians, the Iron Islanders, theres something perversely admirable about their rugged sense of honour.
Frey and Boltons must be righteously exterminated however...
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2012/05/21 17:48:33
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Kill the Freys. Every. Single. melon-fething. One.
I don't mind treason, I really don't. As long as its for a good cause I'm all for it. But the Red Wedding wasn't for a good cause. It was because the Freys were a bunch of proud arrogant gaks who took everything so personally. So what if Rob married another girl? All of the Frey women were ugly bitches anyway.
That said, that girls family were also in the Lannister's pocket, so burn them too.
Oh, and that donkey-cave who razed Winterfell. feth him with a burning cactus.
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2012/05/21 17:55:58
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
It has been a rather consistent theme in A Song of Ice and Fire
Also Arya's list of Vengence must be insanely long now. Unless shes just using Walder to demarcate his entire 'brood'.
Spoiler:
I wonder how good Arya's going to be once she completes her training as an assasian. Obviously she'll have jobs and I think cross Daenerys path but she could be good enough to get into the Twins at night and go dance in the red rain whilst they're all sleeping.
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I could see Arya taking over the role of Varys in the end.
2012/05/21 18:00:21
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Totalwar1402 wrote:
*Petyr Baelish gives the Freys a taste of their own medicine.
Oh yeah, I forgot about him.
He is not going to be happy about what they did to Catherine, and he is now the de-facto ruler of that kingdom (I forgot the name...Riverrun or something)
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2012/05/21 18:03:02
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Kill the Freys.
Every. Single. melon-fething. One.
I don't mind treason, I really don't. As long as its for a good cause I'm all for it.
But the Red Wedding wasn't for a good cause. It was because the Freys were a bunch of proud arrogant gaks who took everything so personally.
So what if Rob married another girl? All of the Frey women were ugly bitches anyway.
.
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Yeah, I mean a marriage they won through blatent blackmail, when all the Walders with Bran basically have a laugh when they find out one of their relatives has bitten the dust so they can get closer to their inheritence. I mean the old man insults everyone he meets and is surprised that people don't like him and return the favour? I think its ironic that the 'brood' came across as a bit of comic relief in the first book/series but turn out to do the most evil thing. Also, I think they planned with the Boltons to betray the Lannisters before that marriage thing. I might be wrong, but in the second book the Bolton in Harrenhal is discussing it with the Freys and the Freys with him only find out later about the marriage insult. So he would have done it for money.
Plus, a marriage to Edmure Tulley was just as good and they could have demanded Sansa. Theres no guarentee that Rob would have had a child. Also, going by inheritence it would be better because they would have married into the female line since then a Frey not a Stark would be in Winterfell; a potentially better deal than a Frey woman marrying Rob.
Plus the Boltons bastard was trying to sieze that widows land by eloping with her then murdering her and fighting Starkmen even before he lost the North. So his loyalty was always in question.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Totalwar1402 wrote:
*Petyr Baelish gives the Freys a taste of their own medicine.
Oh yeah, I forgot about him.
He is not going to be happy about what they did to Catherine, and he is now the de-facto ruler of that kingdom (I forgot the name...Riverrun or something)
Spoiler:
Hes official ruler of the Riverlands through owning the seat of Harrenhal. But hes de facto ruler of the Vale through having married then gotten rid of Cats sister; he is now ward of her son. He also has Sansa and plans to push her claim to Winterfell (possibly by marrrying her; if you can't have the mother...). The man doesn't lack for ambition.
I think Petyre did genuinely care about Cat and the Freys will not like that they are not Kings of the Riverlands (they got Riverrun for their treason). With the Lannisters in turmoil they may think they can ignore Baelish's right to the Riverlands.
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2012/05/21 18:12:48
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
What is the Frey families military strength anyway?
I got the impression that its not that strong, meaning that they could be steam rolled by the other kingdoms.
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2012/05/21 18:23:00
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:What is the Frey families military strength anyway?
I got the impression that its not that strong, meaning that they could be steam rolled by the other kingdoms.
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I think they mentioned that they had 2000 bannermen and I think half as many knights. Tywin Lannisters host was 40,000 men fully assembled. Renly had a 100,000 with the support of the Tyrells. Their advantage is that they have a lot of sons who can inherit positions from those siezed from the deposed Tulleys and then recruit more men-at arms. However the war has devastated the Riverlands, many of the keeps have been destroyed, the fields burnt and many of the smallfolk killed or driven away. So their ability to fund or get a complete army is very limited.
Also, if Petyr can convince the men of the Vale to serve him. Whose army is untouched so we'll assume similar to the Starks with 20,000 men they could crush the Freys.
I think the Boltons have a lot more men, but they only have to fight Stannis's depleated troops and the greyjoys who are just raiders.
Frankly most of the Houses have taken enormous losses excepting Martell and the Vale. We also have Danny who is going to land like a righteous hammer onto Westeros with lord knows how many soldiers n three dragons.
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2012/05/21 18:26:23
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:What is the Frey families military strength anyway? I got the impression that its not that strong, meaning that they could be steam rolled by the other kingdoms.
I think it is also about the strategic location of their castles and the bridge. It is implied that they could withstand a long siege and if they destroyed the bridge the north and south would be separated until a replacement is build. At least the alternative paths are dangerous and inconvenient.
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2012/05/21 18:27:43
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:What is the Frey families military strength anyway?
I got the impression that its not that strong, meaning that they could be steam rolled by the other kingdoms.
Spoiler:
I think they mentioned that they had 2000 bannermen and I think half as many knights. Tywin Lannisters host was 40,000 men fully assembled. Renly had a 100,000 with the support of the Tyrells. Their advantage is that they have a lot of sons who can inherit positions from those siezed from the deposed Tulleys and then recruit more men-at arms. However the war has devastated the Riverlands, many of the keeps have been destroyed, the fields burnt and many of the smallfolk killed or driven away. So their ability to fund or get a complete army is very limited.
Also, if Petyr can convince the men of the Vale to serve him. Whose army is untouched so we'll assume similar to the Starks with 20,000 men they could crush the Freys.
I think the Boltons have a lot more men, but they only have to fight Stannis's depleated troops and the greyjoys who are just raiders.
Frankly most of the Houses have taken enormous losses excepting Martell and the Vale. We also have Danny who is going to land like a righteous hammer onto Westeros with lord knows how many soldiers n three dragons.
Sweet. We might get to see some weaselly gaks squished them Can't wait till Danny invades Westeros and smack some heads together. That'll teach them for fething everything up.
Does she still have those elite eunuch troops? I also forgot the the names to them as well. Its been like 3 years since I last read the books
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2012/05/21 18:33:59
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:What is the Frey families military strength anyway?
I got the impression that its not that strong, meaning that they could be steam rolled by the other kingdoms.
Spoiler:
I think they mentioned that they had 2000 bannermen and I think half as many knights. Tywin Lannisters host was 40,000 men fully assembled. Renly had a 100,000 with the support of the Tyrells. Their advantage is that they have a lot of sons who can inherit positions from those siezed from the deposed Tulleys and then recruit more men-at arms. However the war has devastated the Riverlands, many of the keeps have been destroyed, the fields burnt and many of the smallfolk killed or driven away. So their ability to fund or get a complete army is very limited.
Also, if Petyr can convince the men of the Vale to serve him. Whose army is untouched so we'll assume similar to the Starks with 20,000 men they could crush the Freys.
I think the Boltons have a lot more men, but they only have to fight Stannis's depleated troops and the greyjoys who are just raiders.
Frankly most of the Houses have taken enormous losses excepting Martell and the Vale. We also have Danny who is going to land like a righteous hammer onto Westeros with lord knows how many soldiers n three dragons.
Sweet. We might get to see some weaselly gaks squished them Can't wait till Danny invades Westeros and smack some heads together. That'll teach them for fething everything up.
Does she still have those elite eunuch troops? I also forgot the the names to them as well. Its been like 3 years since I last read the books
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Not sure of the name. Think so. The hoplite/legionariy/eunuch soldiers of doom. It was pretty funny when Danny recruited them.
I don't think it will be that easy. Petyre is no military leader and hes very low on credibility in the Vale. Holding lordship in that tower is one thing. Commanding its armies is another and making sure his knights follow him is something else. Hes a manipulator but to get men to follow you, then you need some kind of credibility. A man who has murdered his wife is going to have a hard time doing that.
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2012/05/21 18:36:30
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:What is the Frey families military strength anyway?
I got the impression that its not that strong, meaning that they could be steam rolled by the other kingdoms.
Spoiler:
I think they mentioned that they had 2000 bannermen and I think half as many knights. Tywin Lannisters host was 40,000 men fully assembled. Renly had a 100,000 with the support of the Tyrells. Their advantage is that they have a lot of sons who can inherit positions from those siezed from the deposed Tulleys and then recruit more men-at arms. However the war has devastated the Riverlands, many of the keeps have been destroyed, the fields burnt and many of the smallfolk killed or driven away. So their ability to fund or get a complete army is very limited.
Also, if Petyr can convince the men of the Vale to serve him. Whose army is untouched so we'll assume similar to the Starks with 20,000 men they could crush the Freys.
I think the Boltons have a lot more men, but they only have to fight Stannis's depleated troops and the greyjoys who are just raiders.
Frankly most of the Houses have taken enormous losses excepting Martell and the Vale. We also have Danny who is going to land like a righteous hammer onto Westeros with lord knows how many soldiers n three dragons.
Sweet. We might get to see some weaselly gaks squished them Can't wait till Danny invades Westeros and smack some heads together. That'll teach them for fething everything up.
Does she still have those elite eunuch troops? I also forgot the the names to them as well. Its been like 3 years since I last read the books
Spoiler:
Not sure of the name. Think so. The hoplite/legionariy/eunuch soldiers of doom. It was pretty funny when Danny recruited them.
I don't think it will be that easy. Petyre is no military leader and hes very low on credibility in the Vale. Holding lordship in that tower is one thing. Commanding its armies is another and making sure his knights follow him is something else. Hes a manipulator but to get men to follow you, then you need some kind of credibility. A man who has murdered his wife is going to have a hard time doing that.
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Ai, but they don't know that he murdered Lyanna; He blamed it on that minstrel. He could then, theoretically, accuse him of working with the Freys. Well, ok, that's unlikely. But he is a cunning and resourceful blighter. He'll think of something alright.
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2012/05/21 18:40:59
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Ai, but they don't know that he murdered Lyanna; He blamed it on that minstrel. He could then, theoretically, accuse him of working with the Freys. Well, ok, that's unlikely. But he is a cunning and resourceful blighter. He'll think of something alright.
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Actually I wouldn't put that past him. Plus it kind of makes sense given that the Freys are known to be fuming over not being Kings of the Riverlands. Such an attack is very plausable, getting rid of the last of the Arryns. I mean, if you know a house has an appetite for power and betrayel; you're bound to blame them first. You see this is the problem with treason, people will blame and prejudge you for it.
Plus, its quite a nice dynamic since you have subtle treachery with Petyre but the outright naked treachery of the Freys.
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2012/05/21 18:49:42
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Ai, but they don't know that he murdered Lyanna; He blamed it on that minstrel. He could then, theoretically, accuse him of working with the Freys. Well, ok, that's unlikely. But he is a cunning and resourceful blighter. He'll think of something alright.
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Actually I wouldn't put that past him. Plus it kind of makes sense given that the Freys are known to be fuming over not being Kings of the Riverlands. Such an attack is very plausable, getting rid of the last of the Arryns. I mean, if you know a house has an appetite for power and betrayel; you're bound to blame them first. You see this is the problem with treason, people will blame and prejudge you for it.
Plus, its quite a nice dynamic since you have subtle treachery with Petyre but the outright naked treachery of the Freys.
Hmm You have a point there actually. That had not occurred to me. I guess that after the shock of losing their ruler, they'll believe everything. And the Freys did kill Lyanna's sister
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At least temporarily
, so it would make sense to them that Walder would try something like that.
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2012/05/21 18:51:36
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:I see them being steamrollered under the Targaryean invasoin whether or not dany joins it
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So you believe this Aegon is going to be a one of 'those' Targarians. Blood and Fire n all that.
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2012/05/21 19:47:27
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Tibbsy wrote:
On the one hand, he's (Theon) a traitor and a turncloak, and should be given a traitors death.
He is not a traitor. he was released then ordered to go to war alongside House Greyjoy against the Starks, obeying that is neither treason or cloakturning. Robb wont see it that way, but he didnt see the bigger picture, or need to.
Theon made 'mistakes' but the actual mistakes were not made of course. He was out of his depth and not supported by his sister, but he did after all take the north rather than raid it, he paid the iron price for Winterfell proving himself a true Greyjoy.
He should now be put out of his misery and returned to the sea.
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2012/05/21 19:54:48
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:I see them being steamrollered under the Targaryean invasoin whether or not dany joins it
Spoiler:
So you believe this Aegon is going to be a one of 'those' Targarians. Blood and Fire n all that.
Him and snow are the other two heads, and he is pro-action unlike dany is has basically turned into an annoying crying baby
GRR Martins kept Danny in the East for plot convenience; it has little to do with ability or will to go. There needs to be time for the Dragons to get bigger, as well as Danny learning how to control them and consequently she can't just go. By all rights it would have only taken House Martell or Tyrell to invite her back then give her an army.
I'd be complaining if I had been stuck in the East for five books!
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2012/05/22 02:47:15
Subject: Re:A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
House Bolten & Frey are nothing but cowardly little fethers who deserve the most painfull death Dany can give them!
House Greyjoy are little better, and to me are even bigger cowards as all they do is raid the helpless and the weak. They're scum who deserve to be burned out of their hovels and thrown into the deepest part of the seas.
Actually, it seems like most of the houses could do with some purging for helping to completely -up Westeros and leading it on the road to ruin!
Oh, and Cersi needs to be burned into the Iron Throne by all three dragons!
2012/05/22 11:56:04
Subject: A Song of Ice and Fire (spoilers), Do you want House Frey and Bolton to be destroyed?
Being Cersei is puinishment enough, once you tell her: she is no longer queen, is no longer rich, and her stupid plotting stripped her of her allies, her brother and ultimately her children. Let her live with that in a high tower.
Death would be easier.
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