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Have been looking for a (probably cheaper and more balanced) alternative to 40k, and thought Dust looked pretty good. But a few questions jump at me before i go buying. It seemms there's two core sets, a regular and a revised, are there any real differences between the two? other than less models?

Also, it says it comes with bored tiles, so is it a straight board game, or can it be played on regular tabletop with scenery?

Finally, how does it lend itself to expansion? Am i going to have to be throwing money at the hobby every few months to keep it going like 40k?

Thanks all <3

doc1234 wrote:Have been looking for a (probably cheaper and more balanced) alternative to 40k, and thought Dust looked pretty good. But a few questions jump at me before i go buying. It seemms there's two core sets, a regular and a revised, are there any real differences between the two? other than less models?

Also, it says it comes with bored tiles, so is it a straight board game, or can it be played on regular tabletop with scenery?

Finally, how does it lend itself to expansion? Am i going to have to be throwing money at the hobby every few months to keep it going like 40k?

Thanks all <3

The maps in the new revised starter are on "poster paper"

You get a hell of a lot more for your gaming bucks with the original.

Don't know how to answer your last question. Do you get board quickly with your minis?
I've never found that there was a need to keep buying the latest stuff to play competitive games by buying new minis on releases (dust tactics not Warfare). There are some advantages to new units you may like.

I can't speak too much on Dust warfare, but dust tactics was not heavily into power creeping. There were a few broken units, but there was never a real trend.



EDIT:


missed your second question


Dust tactics is a board game with 28mm minis. It is played on a board with squares on it. Tactically, the game defies logic. It sucks and blows at the same time. It's like playing checkers with more rules.

Dust Warfare (recently released) is the traditional war game version that uses the minis from the Dust Tactics starter and expansions. All you need is a measuring tape. Tokens can easily be had with what you have or pieces of paper.

minis are pre primed so you can paint them right out of the box.

Or you can buy the premium edition minis which come nicely painted. About the quality of AT-43, perhaps a little bit better.

Ah so warfare and tactics are different? Thanks, thought it was all under "tactics". Will probably look more into the "warfare" side of it, and no, i dont get bored of my minis, i ment the question more along the lines of certain things GW seems to do (from "not enough bitz" in kits to updating/outdating things etc with new releases)

I noticed the less models with the "revised" box, but if i remember it says something about them being unique to the box? Cheap selling gimmick or something to actually look into?

Hell even if i cant convince people to play (considering id already in theory have a second army right? ), it at least appeals to the years of childhood Red Alert in me

So the gameplay is points list based right? how big does a "standard" sized game get? also, am i right in thinking its heavily scenario/mission based in terms of play rather than just throwing armys at each other across an open field?

The rulebook says that a tournament level game should be between 200-400 points on a 4x6' board. A 400pt army can have up to 3 platoons. You could probably fit a single platoon out to 250pts if you really wanted.

A platoon has a command squad and between 1-4 infantry squads. They can take 1 walker per 2 squads (incl command). Heroes can be taken outside of the platoons structure OR in place of a platoons command squad.

With the following approximate costs:
Light infantry squad: 15-25 points
Heavy Infantry Squad: 25-35 points
Light Walker: 20-25
Medium Walker: 30-40
Heavy Walker: 90-100
Hero: 20-30
The Revised Core Set comes with about 120 points per side, and make an Assault Platoon for the Allies and a Blutkreuz platoon for the Axis.

Tournament scenarios have a strategic bidding system, where each player gets 2 points which can be spent on a combination of Objectives, Deployment, and Conditions in a way that (hopefully) will sway the battle in your favour.
There are 4 different objectives, combined with 4 different deployment styles and 4 different battlefield conditions. Players can also spend points on fortifications. Additionally there are 5 mission based scenarios with extra rules.

doc1234 wrote:Ah so warfare and tactics are different? Thanks, thought it was all under "tactics". Will probably look more into the "warfare" side of it, and no, i dont get bored of my minis, i ment the question more along the lines of certain things GW seems to do (from "not enough bitz" in kits to updating/outdating things etc with new releases)

I noticed the less models with the "revised" box, but if i remember it says something about them being unique to the box? Cheap selling gimmick or something to actually look into?

Hell even if i cant convince people to play (considering id already in theory have a second army right? ), it at least appeals to the years of childhood Red Alert in me

So the gameplay is points list based right? how big does a "standard" sized game get? also, am i right in thinking its heavily scenario/mission based in terms of play rather than just throwing armys at each other across an open field?

Old box is a bit better. For the price of the old starter box (100 bucks) you get a lot. If you were to buy everything individually it would cost

2 US Mechs (I call them mechs not robots) 50.00 @25 bucks each
2 German Mechs 50.00 @25 bucks each

32 troops in total

3 US Squads + 1 officer 45.00 @15 bucks for each squad
3 German Squads + 1 officer 45.00 @15 bucks for each squad

Almost cost you twice as much to buy all these miniatures separately than it would to buy the original starter.

At $80.00 USD the second edition starter would cost 140 bucks (2 mechs plus 6 squads in the box).

It's not huge savings where it looks like FFG is kicking you in the lards and laughing at you. Since you wil be playing Dust Warfare and Not tactics, the better quality of the board in the original starter will not be an issue. Though to be fair, the Original starter box was made by AEG before FFG took up the property rights, so packaging and price point may not have been to their fitting.

Well to be fair to the Revised set, most of the minis are set exclusive. The original box set only had the basic boxes. Still the old set was very nice for the price

Thanks for the help everyone, and damn i can see the difference in saving alone with the starters cant really grumble saving that much. May just snap up the original to get me going, then look into the revised kit at some point for the extras. From what i read there (correct me if im wrong) the original ones giving enough each side to make a fair small army each, with the revised giving more the equivalent of an expansion as oposed to a "full" force?

doc1234 wrote:Thanks for the help everyone, and damn i can see the difference in saving alone with the starters cant really grumble saving that much. May just snap up the original to get me going, then look into the revised kit at some point for the extras. From what i read there (correct me if im wrong) the original ones giving enough each side to make a fair small army each, with the revised giving more the equivalent of an expansion as oposed to a "full" force?

Well maybe it was my poor searching but because of the fact that the original Core set is OOP, it'll be hard to find some that are at retail price

Going to amazon revealed most places are selling the original set at +$150...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1589949765/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

The Revised is still a "full army" if your scenarios call for 130 point armies or so (tactics wise anyways)

yeah maybe go for the revised set after all then 0.0 hell long as its a few models to get me going is all good right?