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Okay guys i was wandering about healing and medics in the 40k fluff, and i was wondering for example how do apothecaries tend to wounded marines.

I was also wondering if you guys have any ideas for new ways of healing.

Daemonhammer wrote:Okay guys i was wandering about healing and medics in the 40k fluff, and i was wondering for example how do apothecaries tend to wounded marines.

I was also wondering if you guys have any ideas for new ways of healing.

In combat: triage... people who you can get back in the fight get healed first. Then the more serious. I never really read about apothecaries using specific tools besides the geneseed extractor thingy

I tend to think that Apothecaries recover Marines after the battle, less so during it. The Space Marine's suit and physiology is all the medic a Marine needs most of the time. However, Apothecaries may be able to aid some Marines whose injuries have overcome the capabilities of their armor but can still fight.

Probably with combat drugs or cauterizing agents on body parts where the suit has been damaged or destroyed. The Space Marine can fight on with limbs damaged or even chest trauma or even head trauma.

Just from examining the Narthecium model, I would say they mostly get by with injectable treatments. Chemicals that accelerate the Marines natural ability to heal or resist pain.

In "the Beast of Calth" an apothecary is treating a guardsman who has severe wounds. He pretty much just cauterizes wounds and injects the dude with the various bits coming of the narthecium.

What about armies like IG? whey must have medics of some kind.

Their medics are probably more analagous to ours.

Daemonhammer wrote:What about armies like IG? whey must have medics of some kind.

They do and they cost 30 points a pop. Anyway their medics are pretty much like ours'. Bandages, quick clotting agents, maybe some other "field" fancy medical equipment. Sometimes the Guard have Sister's Hospitalier attachments. And they probably have better equipment when it comes down to being combat medics.

The medics in Gaunt's Ghosts use the same basic stuff as today - bandages, aneasthetic, small amounts of blood pack, opiates, etc.
Hospitals tend to have actual high-tech equipment though. Stuff like that is too valueable to leave hanging around the front lines.

What I found in GW's own books:

Nathecium (Adeptus Astartes Apothecaries)
A special kind of medi-pack, the nathecium contains treatments and devices specifically for use with Space Marine physiology. For a Space Marine, it is treated exactly like a medi-pack. On non-Space Marine characters, using a narthecium is a risky action, and failing the action adds 1d6 points to the treated character's injury total as their body reacts badly to the drugs and stimms contained within.
- Inquisitor RPG

Medi-pack (Imperial Guard Field Medics and others)
A medi-pack (usually referred to in the Imperium as a pharmacopoeia or narthecium) contains drugs, bandages and other first aid equipment. [...] (the rest is pure game mechanics)
- Inquisitor RPG

Medi-pack (Imperial Guard Field Medics and others)
Medi-packs contain all the necessary drugs, dressings and surgical tools a field-medic requires to treat battle wounds and injuries. [...] (the rest is pure game mechanics)
- 5E C:IG

Medicus Ministorum (Adepta Sororitas Sisters Hospitaller)
Using the relics contained within this rare scentwood box, a character can cure all manner of injuries and ailments. [...] (the rest is pure game mechanics)
- 2E C:SoB

I assume that various outsourced material like Black Library's selection of novels or FFG's RPGs will offer more detailed information. Of course, the drawback to this is that they frequently contradict each other due to artistic license and 40k not having a set canon, so the perception you end up with will be based on what book you've been looking at in particular. These alternate descriptions are, however, no more right or wrong than GW ones, but simply ... alternate descriptions. Pick the ones you like best.

For more about Apothecaries, see Salamander by Nick Kyme, which features an Apothecary at work throughout. See also the entire Night Lords series, beginning with Soul Hunter by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. It frequently features Apothecaries doing their business, and in point of fact the main character is a former Apothecary. These usually tend towards the more perverse ends of medicine, since Variel is often at work doing something unsavory, but I assume the tools he's using for torture are the same ones he uses for healing. One or more of the early Horus Heresy novels see Fabius Bile starting the slippery slope to looney-town, which might give you some more insight. I cannot remember which of those it is off the top of my head, but someone else might be able to pin that down for you.

There are other medical type folks in the 41st millenium, too. You see a sort of mental health/hospice facility in the short story Pestilence by Dan Abnett, from the compilation Let the Galaxy Burn, edited by Christian Dunn and Marc Gascoigne. Hope this can help you track down a little more of what you are looking for.

Okay thx guys.

"Medics and Healing"

Healing

Doctors heal you

Medics make you feel better while you die.

Thrawn2600 wrote:Medics make you feel better while you die.

They also extend your life so that you have a chance to actually reach a hospital, emergency operation theater or other better care. Something as simple as stemming bloodflow and giving you a unit of volume restoration will do wonders for your prospects of getting to better facilities alive.

Spetulhu wrote:

Thrawn2600 wrote:Medics make you feel better while you die.

They also extend your life so that you have a chance to actually reach a hospital, emergency operation theater or other better care. Something as simple as stemming bloodflow and giving you a unit of volume restoration will do wonders for your prospects of getting to better facilities alive.

Someone never watched Red vs Blue...

Hikaru-119 wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

Thrawn2600 wrote:Medics make you feel better while you die.

They also extend your life so that you have a chance to actually reach a hospital, emergency operation theater or other better care. Something as simple as stemming bloodflow and giving you a unit of volume restoration will do wonders for your prospects of getting to better facilities alive.

Someone never watched Red vs Blue...

Not to get off-topic, but...
"Maybe it's a key, and when you put it in people, it unlocks their death"

I lol'ed.

Dark Apostle Thirst wrote:

Hikaru-119 wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

Thrawn2600 wrote:Medics make you feel better while you die.

They also extend your life so that you have a chance to actually reach a hospital, emergency operation theater or other better care. Something as simple as stemming bloodflow and giving you a unit of volume restoration will do wonders for your prospects of getting to better facilities alive.

Someone never watched Red vs Blue...

Not to get off-topic, but...
"Maybe it's a key, and when you put it in people, it unlocks their death"

"GRIFF! Why did ya gimme CPR for a bullet wound to the head? Wadda ya do if I got shot in the gut? Massage my foot?"

Space Wolf apothacaries use herbs and balms and potions.

Great White wrote:Space Wolf apothacaries use herbs and balms and potions.

Like Aloe Vera?

Probably more like this:



and anti-rabies inoculation *cough*

Lynata wrote:Probably more like this:



and anti-rabies inoculation *cough*

if its Space Wolfes its probably more of this :