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Looking over the new codex I am seeing that while Berserkers are cool and all, I can almost get the same effect with CSM with the MoK. The real reason for doing so is the lesser point cost, and while losing fearless sucks I was planning on placing them with a fearless character. Now I am getting back into the hobby after a long time away (last game was 4th ed with the 3.5 dex) so I have ZERO 6th ed xp other than reading the BRB.

So what are your opinions on taking MoK CSM over Berserkers?

Unless you take the icon of wrath on the CSM unit they won't have furious charge.

Also true berzerkers have 1 more WS than their CSM counterparts and may take chainaxes

The flip side is the CSM have special weapons + boltguns...But I'm not sure how useful they are with the rage rule that comes with MoK

Personally if your looking for a unit made for CC, the zerks are probably a better option. Yeah the CSM can do it as well, but I prefer spending the x points per model on the extra CCW so they're old school + non-rage

as rage is no longer "must move towards closest" and is now "gains 2 attacks on the charge rather than the usual 1" it is quite a benefit...... Between RAGE and COUNTER ATTACK Berserkers have the same # of attacks the first round of any combat that they used to have....

currently abusepuppy @ 3++ (www.3plusplus.net) has a good post discussing how to compare / contrast the different marked CSM vs cult units. give it a read, may help you out.

Thanks for the article, a good read. I think I will go with the Berzerkers rather than the MoK CSM.