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Hi all,

I've been reading dakkadakka for a few weeks (up to page 47 of the 6th edition Ork changes and tactics thread!). I'm a new 40k player, played about half a dozen games, mostly against IG but 1 against BA (I won), 1 against Tau (I lost but if I'd seen Tau in action before I'd have played differently and could have won). I was given a bunch of Orks which is why I'm playing (Orks are so much fun!). I picked up an AOBR Ork set (without the SM) for the extra Boys, Nobz and Deffkoptas, and am now wondering what models I should be considering buying (funds are limited so I really need to prioritise).

The guys I play with are cool with me equipping the models with weapons other than those they are modelled with, so that's not too much of an issue, largely because I just can't afford enough stuff to have all options available - for example, I play all the boys as Shoota boys, which is absolutely fine.

What I have already are:

approx 50 Boys (20 modelled as Shootas, the rest including the AOBR as Sluggas).
10 Nobz (5 from AOBR, the rest metal models)
1 Gazzy
5 Warbikers
1 Kannon
3 Deffkoptas (AOBR ones)
1 Meganob (metal)
3 KillaKanz
1 Buggy and 2 old style Trukks (which are fairly easy to model as Buggies which is what I plan to do with them)
1 Warboss with PK (AOBR)
A bunch of old style Gretchin with 2 metal runtherders

I *think* from reading through the various army lists and the tactics thread that I should look at Lootas as a priority, but I'm not sure what would be the next priority. BWs? More Kannons? More Boyz? Nob Bikers? More Nobz? These all seem like viable units and ones I'd enjoy building lists with. I know I could scratch build some Kannons fairly easily, and potentially Looted Wagons or Buggies (I've seen some amazing pics on here) but I'm not sure how skilled I'd be at it so I'm not relying on my scratch build abilities. I do have the plan in mind to scour charity shops for any old kids toys that could be converted into Orky vehicles but I think they would be limited to possibly Buggies and Looted Wagons, *maybe* at a stretch a Trukk. Battlewagons seem like they would be too difficult to make (I've never done this sort of thing before so pretty sure its beyond me at the moment).

I play for fun, but would like to have the chance of winning, and will be playing against friends who have Tau, IG, BA, DE (the IG player has just started building a DE army too), and hopefully Tyranids at some point. Potentially Space Wolves too, but I don't know how likely this is.

So, what would you advise? I've enjoyed what I've played so far, so any and all pointers very gratefully received!

Regards,

Bish

Edit - PS apologies if this isn't the correct forum but I didn't think it would go in the lists one!

What my friend a Ork player who started out is Boyz spam he runs three full mobs of slugga boyz i think and a mob of shoota boyz then he has his Ghazzy in his truck with four nobz and five nobz in another truck along with some storm boyz and deff koptas mixed in their

Well, if you're looking for "cost efficiency" when it comes to models, there are a few good buys.

Battlewagons (which if you look online you can get with the 'battlewagon upgrade pack' which has a couple extras that are good to have) are great in terms of versatility and if you don't glue much to them, you can easily swap out what kit you want it to have. You can easily magnetize the roof (ard case) the grabbin claw, the kilcannon (which cones with 2 extra guns if you get the upgrade pack, easy to use as 2 extra big gunz of choice) the ram/deffrolla, the secondary cannon and lobba, and the third big shoota in the cupola. That's nearly every available upgrade in the book for that vehicle.

The loota/burna box is similarly handy. If you clip the arms off a few of your AOBR boyz, you can get both burnas and lootas from that box, both of which are great units.

I guess the only other truly cost-efficient unit I'd recommend would be a dakkajet with magnetized Burma bombs/big bombs/burna missiles so you could play it as any of the three fliers.


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My overarching strategy at this point for orks is to establish a "dakkabase" for my advancing boyz. If I decide to go with a speed based army, my firebase is usually a battlewagon full of meks and lootas, sitting out in the middle and blasting away at everything. For foot based I generally take an aegis defense line (the orky fort terrain piece made by gw works really well and is 5 bucks cheaper) put big gunz behind it and lootas behind them. I advance up behind kills kans or grots, usually under a kff. This forces your opponents to pick between focusing fire on the shooters or on the advancing orks, and I find opponents who choose one over the other die of the one army element they leave untouched.

the_scotsman wrote:
Well, if you're looking for "cost efficiency" when it comes to models, there are a few good buys.

If you are looking at "cost effiency" of ork units you will fail hard. Orks are an army that relies on target saturnation. A single unit of mega nobz in a trukk is a pretty decent unit. Fast, hits hard and resonably hard to kill but it wont go anywhere if it's the only trukk in the army. An army that has 1 trukk of boyz, 1 trukk of 3 meganobz, boyz with a warboss in a trukk and 3rd unit of boyz with kff mek. Each units cost roughly the same and each of them can do some damage. Which one do you shoot?

Best thing a new ork player can do is to pick a theme for his army. Greentide, mech spam, walker spam, biker spam, deffwing...

If playing green tide or just larger foot army. Always get that 2" gap all round each model. This limits boyz being hit with large blasts killing only 5 max or small blast killing only one. Flamers hitting only 3 makes a huge difference in survivability.

I'm very noobish myself, but I've grown very fond of 3 squads of 10 lootas each. (So they can go to ground behind an Aegis and get +2 save) Right now I'm running that with kannons as a gun line to support footslogging squads of boyz (with PK nobz of course) helped further by a KFF BM in the middle of the approaching formation. You've got a good start for boyz; I would recommend a Big Mek and some lootas for an acquisition/build priority to cover them.

I made my lootas from normal slugga boys, a bag of ebay loose toy guns, and some coffee stirrers. Remember, you're building orks, so flea market castoffs and some brutal cunnin' go far. Buy some foam board and plasticard, and don't feel constrained by standard design when hunting for toys that would make good battlewagons and gubbins. (FYI, old Mechwarrior commons are great for scratch building mechanobz on a budget.) Don't model for advantage (ie, no huge fronts on BW to spam armor rules) and make it look good an' orky = no complaints. You can even make an "orkis" defense line out of foam board and gnarly bits on the cheap.

Get lootas, get lots of lootas because not only do they riddle infantry with bullets they can knock enemy fightas out of the sky even without skyfire.

Thanks for the advice guys.

I now own (thanks to going a tiny bit mad on ebay recently) approximately 120 boys (about 80 shootas, the rest sluggas); ghazzy, 2 meganobz, 15 lootas, maybe 10 burnas, a couple of meks (1 kustom megablasta and 1 with big shoota) a dakkajet, maybe 30 nobz, 7 warbikers, Big Mek with KFF, 10 new style grots and about 25 old style grots, 2 runtherdas, 3 warbuggies, 23 stormboys (10 new style the rest old style), zagstruck, maybe 25 tankbustas (some actual tankbustas, some boys with rokkits), another 20 odd boys with big shootas, a scratch built Stompa, 4 kannons (2 are old style IG lascannons with grots for crew) and 4 deffkoptas. I *think* that's everything I have for now, ignoring the 30 odd old style boys which I'd like to sell or trade but don't think anyone wants.

Eventually I'd like more grots, 2 more dakkajets (making 3), 3 battlewagons, a bunch more kannons/zzzap guns, at least 1 Shokk attack gun, at least 1 weird boy probably 2), another Stompa, some trukks and some nob bikers. Not sure what models I'll be aiming to get next from that lot but that's the goal. Can anyone suggest anything else I should look at, or an order to look at picking them up in please?

More boyz, always more boyz with orks. Da more lads ya gotz, da better ya kan krump dem humies an' beaky boyz. Lootas, dakkajets, and battlewagons are all great in any ork list as well.


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Did not see your latest post updating all the shiny new toys you got, good LORD that is a haul. Good luck getting paint on all of them, I wouldn't buy anything else until you start assembling/painting what you've got, that should be intimidating enough.

Ya looks like your set, I would get at least one more mega armored nob since they run at least threes, but 3 more would be better.

Lootas can dish out some hurt.

And for lots of fun you can't go wrong with a Dakkajet.