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I see seval active topics about Marine Drops and how devastatign they are against Eldar. My friend who plays Black Templars owns a good number of land raiders and couldn't be happier with the new Blessed Hulls against my Lances.

He takes several of these Crusaiders and fills them full of men. Words do not explain how difficult it is to destroy a land raider for Eldar. Drop Poded units can atleast be damaged still.

I play Ulthwe and always had a good number of starcannons with a few Bright Lances, but really the Lances are truely unreliable. That leaves me with a couple of options. I've tried Wave Serpents with Wraith Guard with mixed results. The problem is the only other effective things against such high Armor values really requie you to be dangerously close, generally in close combat, with Hawire Grenades and Witch Blades.

The only things that shoot a reason able distance are Fire Prism's which are horribly unreliable hitting on 4's even if guided, still need a 5 just to glance. Not to mention every Fire Prisim is one less Falcon/WraithLord/WarWalker you can't have. That leaves D Cannons which I haven't tried. The lack of screenign in 4th edition and only 24" range worries me a good deal as well.

 

Any ideas on how to effectivly deal with the "Blessed Hull Crusaider Rush?"

Suicide Fleet of Foot unit with Haywire Grenades

I agree Haywire grenades are effective. However beign able to use them effectivly is not. Each Land Raider Crusaider can pump out a huge amoutn of anti storm guardian shots. They can also just move backwards and fire almost all those weapons as well. There fore untransported storm guarians on foot may never reach. Transportign with a wave serpent gets expensive like I beleive I said above. Also its not that har to pick off a couple wave serpents adn really ruin their day.

If any one is havign more success thna I am, I'd love to know.

Play Iyanden, just for a game or two. A couple experiences with Wraithcannons and assaulting Wraithlords should sour him on the expensive Land Raiders.

Yeah, essentially Blessed Hulls (and living metal) kind of exist for the sole purpose of screwing Eldar and sisters and orkz. Not sure why they thought that was needed, but they decided it was.

Does blessed hull ignore the melta affect? If not, then fire dragons would work. If you can be relativly sure of destorying the land raider, you dont' need to worry too much about being close to it. As long as you blow it up, whatever is hanging out inside will be entangled and won't be able to react to you on the next turn.

No, Phoenix, it's not quite living metal. It just ignores weapons that count the target's armor as less than what it is, IIRC.

The problem arises that the FD squad has to get entirely too close to an assault-oriented army to pull it off. If they don't get entangled by a wrecked Serpent, if they do manage to pop the LRC, they're likely to die immediately after the feat. Since a FD squad of any decent size with a Serpent transport costs a similar amount to the LRC, it's a risk.

You don't have to use a serpent though. A falcon with 4 fire dragons and 1 exarch can do it just as well at cracking the LRC. Only problem is your Falcon will draw even more fire than normal, as well as possibly falling into the "too many eggs, 1 basket" scenario. However given the speed and maneuverability of the Falcon, the intimidation factor alone can be enough to keep that Crusader pinned.

Yeah, that's going to be eating a lot of firepower, just being a Falcon, and having the chance to kill Dragons too when it crashes just makes it a more tempting target. Risk vs. reward, Dragons lose in this situation, most times.

Best plan (IMO): have a Wraithlord punch a nice, big hole in it when it's rolling up to offload.

I've never heard anyone refering to a Falcon as "Just being a falcon" as holofields are really pretty amazing protection against destruction. They should be more than adequate at dealing with tl assault cannons and melta weapons, especially when you get to choose when and where they get shot at given the berth of a 24" movement. I'm more worried about the Falcons getting stunned and being unable to deploy than I am of them being gunned down by the LRC. If the Raiders get to deploy first then your Falcon or Falcons will be hurting, you have to prevent that from happening. The more I think about it the more viable this could be come if you use multiple falcons in concert. The LRC will block line of sight in a pretty big area so if you pull up on a flanking one and pop it, it's size could easily protect your dragons, and even your transport from return fire. He can only move 6" to re-position if he want to shoot his other crusaders at you, correct?

A Wraithlord could be a good option but I honestly don't think they would necesarily be the best. Rending assault cannons that re-roll misses are going to put a lot of automatic wounds on those guys, even if only at 24 in. You'd need to find a good place to hide it/them and force them to come in close enough to get into assault. Power fists on a veteran sarge will also make short work of him. Given that it sounds like most of his troops are in the LRC, you won't have a whole lot of other targets to shoot at in the meantime.

It'll still be tough going though no matter what but I think either guardians or dragons in a falcon are your best options. I'll need to play a few more games against my resident BT player though and see how well it works.

Edit: Another point for the falcon, d3 shots are better than a BL in this case, as the lance factor is mitigated.

I was referring to the fact that a Falcon alone is a fire-magnet. I know the power of the Falcon; no need to sell it here.

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Yeah, essentially Blessed Hulls (and living metal) kind of exist for the sole purpose of screwing Eldar and sisters and orkz. Not sure why they thought that was needed, but they decided it was.

Don't forget Dark Eldar.  The darklance is our only ranged AT weapon.  Unless you feel like sending a squad of wyches on a suicide mission, you basically just have to ignore the thing.  Same with Monoliths.