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I love 40k.
I love playing it, I love the fluff, I love the look, I love the feel, I hate the price(doesn't everyone hate that though?)
I LOVE the new Death Shroud terminators from Forgeworld.

I play Nurgle CSM. And as far as I know, I can only field these puppies as "counts as CSM terminators"
Which I would hate to do that. A friend of mine told me their rules and these Death Shroud are outstanding(these scythes are amazing) But he said they're only available for the Horus Heresy armies and not usable for CSM.

Is it really that far-fetched to think some Death Shroud survived long enough to serve in the Nurgle ranks? I am unfamiliar with a lot of the Pre-Hersey fluff, so I suppose some information there may explain why these(and other units) are unavailable to 40k players.
I really don't have the cash to start up a Horus Heresy army, but would love to add these guys to my 40k collection(and play with hem as they were intended.)

I play with a group of friends who wouldn't mind using these rules when I play with them, but I'm moving and will soon start playing with a new crowd. I don't want to be "that guy" and walk in and say "HAI LOOK, I got dese deathshroud and ima use them like they were in pre-hersey"

Does this irritate anyone else? I'm torn.

As far as I'm aware, Deathshroud were Mortarions personal bodyguard, and as such you probably won't be seeing them anywhere without Mortarion himself.

It is entirely possible that the Deathshroud survived the Heresy and are still around serving their Primarch under Nurgle. It isn't an issue of Fluff. The models in the Horus Heresy book(s) are balanced to be played against other Horus Heresy models, and may therefore be unbalanced against standard 40k armies. Now, there's no reason fluff-wise for them to not exist in a 40k-era Chaos army. As long as your friends are alright with you using the rules out of the Horus Heresy book, then you're all good.

Long story short, there's no fluff reason that contradicts using Deathshroud in a 40k army.

 Kaldor wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Deathshroud were Mortarions personal bodyguard, and as such you probably won't be seeing them anywhere without Mortarion himself.

On the contrary, the fluff in Betrayal states that there were never less than two Deathshroud in Mortarion's company. However, this doesn't mean that there couldn't be more that were off doing their own thing. Just that there had to be at least two by Mortarion's side.

As a note with the Horus Heresy books, from what I've heard from other players (I have neither played with or played against a HH army, so bear with me), the army lists in book 1 are no more imbalanced with main 40k than the system is with itself (ie, if we assume Necrons are the most powerful codex and Eldar are the weakest, HH lists fall somewhere between the two). While you should get approval of your group before running a HH list, and it probably won't fly in competitive settings, as long as the other players approve there should be no issue.

RegalPhantom wrote:
While you should get approval of your group before running a HH list, and it probably won't fly in competitive settings, as long as the other players approve there should be no issue.

Just don't expect anyone to approve it. They can choose to be generous and allow you to bring in something that isn't part of the game, but you aren't in any way entitled to use them. So wait until you get to know the people, don't bring them to a random pickup game, and be willing to accept "no" without question or debate.

RegalPhantom wrote:
As a note with the Horus Heresy books, from what I've heard from other players (I have neither played with or played against a HH army, so bear with me), the army lists in book 1 are no more imbalanced with main 40k than the system is with itself (ie, if we assume Necrons are the most powerful codex and Eldar are the weakest, HH lists fall somewhere between the two). While you should get approval of your group before running a HH list, and it probably won't fly in competitive settings, as long as the other players approve there should be no issue.

I can attest to this, having the book in-hand. The only stuff that's really absurd rules-wise are the Primarchs.

Yea, I'm not the type of person to demand to play with their rules without asking or getting to know the people first.

For the most part I don't know how the Forgeworld rules transfer over into GW 40k games. So thanks for letting me know that HH rules don't transfer over fairly into 40k.

Now I just gotta figure out if I want to invest in these guys as "counts as" or not!

Thanks DakkaDakka

They are amazing models so either way i would say get them!!! As stated before, most people will be cool with you using them (except in competitive play) and for the few that aren't you can just use them as count as Nurgle Terminators for that game.

Personally I would let my opponent use anything from fw including the hh because they just look so awesome! Even the primarchs would be fun to go up against

I would say that at worst, you can use them with their rules against opponents who don't mind, and otherwise they'll make great normal Terminators.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I would say that at worst, you can use them with their rules against opponents who don't mind, and otherwise they'll make great normal Terminators.

I was just about to say this. I see nothing on them that would stop you from being able to use them, even as just 'count as' normal terminators.

The only problem is that they do not replace the normal and cataphracti terminators in the legion list, they are chosen as an honor guard for either Mortarion or a praetor and can't be used by themselves. They are an HQ choice in a death guard army.

Th0a wrote:
The only problem is that they do not replace the normal and cataphracti terminators in the legion list, they are chosen as an honor guard for either Mortarion or a praetor and can't be used by themselves. They are an HQ choice in a death guard army.

They are also chosen as an elite choice.

P. 262: "Deathshroud Terminator Squads may be chosen as Elite options for a Death Guard Space Marine Legion force or replace its Command squads."

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Th0a wrote:
The only problem is that they do not replace the normal and cataphracti terminators in the legion list, they are chosen as an honor guard for either Mortarion or a praetor and can't be used by themselves. They are an HQ choice in a death guard army.

They are also chosen as an elite choice.

P. 262: "Deathshroud Terminator Squads may be chosen as Elite options for a Death Guard Space Marine Legion force or replace its Command squads."

You make a good point! to the OP, just buy them, they look bad ass.

I might get them just to convert. I'm thinking given each of them a pair of rotten feather wings (possibly the Tomb King Carrion wings) and maybe the FW Heavy Bolters in one hand. Does anyone have any other ideas on possible wings?

Wings, especially on such extremely bulky models like Terminators, tend to look kind of silly. If you're going to accessorize them like that, perhaps having rotting cloaks or robes would look better.

get them and enjoy using them. Play them as proper death Shrouds if your opponent allows it, btu have the ponts values handy so you can play then as, for example, power-axe terminators if you need to.