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Are mini's manufactured by Marauder Miniatures between 1988 and 1993 legal in GW tournaments and events like the Golden Daemon? What about miniatures from Battle Masters made in 1992?
   
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Only mini's produced by GW are legal in touny's run by GW, although age does not matter. As for independant tournaments, ask the TO.

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Marauder Miniatures should still be legal; they were legal at the time (cast by Citadel) and were absorbed into the company. It isn't a case of a third party model being proxied.

That said, I have had people tell me that my old metal Terminators rebased on 40mm bases aren't legal since that isn't what they came with, even though when they first started basing Terms on the larger base it was the general rule that you should rebase them to match the new standard. People have crazy ideas.
   
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If that's what they told you they were going far beyond what the understanding was on basing.

IIRC, it was more of a matter of using the base that the mini came with, so you in fact could have used the original 25mm base on your Termies and been in the clear (not modelling for advantage) but you should have been fine as well by updating your bases to match the current base for the more recent model. Some people take things too far only understanding half the issue.

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GW has nearly no official tournaments in the US anymore. Pretty much just Throne of Skulls once a year. Any model produced by Citadel (including Marauder) should be perfectly fine to use at ToS, as long as it's recognizable as being whatever unit you're using it to represent, and is armed appropriately to match the current codex unit it's representing.

Golden Daemon has much stricter rules about allowable models/entries, IIRC, so you'll want to review the entry rules carefully. That said, I do think that these older models are generally quite fine to enter in GD, as well.

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That said, I have had people tell me that my old metal Terminators rebased on 40mm bases aren't legal since that isn't what they came with, even though when they first started basing Terms on the larger base it was the general rule that you should re-base them to match the new standard. People have crazy ideas.


IIRC, it was more of a matter of using the base that the mini came with, so you in fact could have used the original 25mm base on your Termies and been in the clear (not modelling for advantage) but you should have been fine as well by updating your bases to match the current base for the more recent model. Some people take things too far only understanding half the issue.


Funny thing is, I can think of just as many people crying cheese about 25mm based Terminators, as if there was some advantage taken because
"Terminators are obviously meant to be on 40mm bases". It makes me shake my head andsmile when (some, not all) new players get big ego's, and think that they know everything about the game, as if their experience over the last 3-5 years (if that) lets them have the foremost knowledge of how everything's been forever for the game.

It's hard enough to argue that yes, one of my Terminators is actually a GW miniature, he just looks different because he's a 1st edition from 1987 (doesn't even have vents on the back)...luckily I don't have to even try to explain that the two tubes on the back of the Captain's power fist is actually meant to be a grenade launcher .

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
That said, I have had people tell me that my old metal Terminators rebased on 40mm bases aren't legal since that isn't what they came with, even though when they first started basing Terms on the larger base it was the general rule that you should re-base them to match the new standard. People have crazy ideas.


IIRC, it was more of a matter of using the base that the mini came with, so you in fact could have used the original 25mm base on your Termies and been in the clear (not modelling for advantage) but you should have been fine as well by updating your bases to match the current base for the more recent model. Some people take things too far only understanding half the issue.


Funny thing is, I can think of just as many people crying cheese about 25mm based Terminators, as if there was some advantage taken because
"Terminators are obviously meant to be on 40mm bases". It makes me shake my head andsmile when (some, not all) new players get big ego's, and think that they know everything about the game, as if their experience over the last 3-5 years (if that) lets them have the foremost knowledge of how everything's been forever for the game.

It's hard enough to argue that yes, one of my Terminators is actually a GW miniature, he just looks different because he's a 1st edition from 1987 (doesn't even have vents on the back)...luckily I don't have to even try to explain that the two tubes on the back of the Captain's power fist is actually meant to be a grenade launcher .


And when they get the whole recently teleported Terminator squad under a template they tend to stop whining about MFA. There are some drawbacks with the small bases.

Codex captains can take auxiliary grenade launchers these days, so the captain's powerfist is back in the game (after a fashion) All I need is to be able to take his sword in addition to the SB/Fist and my ancient terminator captain will be WYSWYG again.

   
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As an ork player i wish they would let up a little on those "original GW only" rules. Obviously scratchbuilt is a nono, but its what 80% of the model must be GW materials? Its rather hard for me to customize my orkyness without using plasticard, plastic tubes, toothpicks, or whatever random material i can find.
Technically my warboss on his bike is illegal because the entirety of his structure integrity is custom materials, not GW stuff, even though only his front fender and the platform on his back are visible nonGW stuff.

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Vineheart01 wrote:
As an ork player i wish they would let up a little on those "original GW only" rules. Obviously scratchbuilt is a nono, but its what 80% of the model must be GW materials? Its rather hard for me to customize my orkyness without using plasticard, plastic tubes, toothpicks, or whatever random material i can find.
Technically my warboss on his bike is illegal because the entirety of his structure integrity is custom materials, not GW stuff, even though only his front fender and the platform on his back are visible nonGW stuff.

That's why you don't tell them its not GW.

Ork players are known for their resourcefulness in finding the oldest and weirdest models to cannibalize for their creations. In all but the most diehard GW tourney, they'll probably allow it. You really think they'll be able to look through your whole army and go "WHOAH WHAOH WHOAH! THAT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL GW TIRE! GET OUT OF HERE!"


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 Vineheart01 wrote:
As an ork player i wish they would let up a little on those "original GW only" rules. Obviously scratchbuilt is a nono, but its what 80% of the model must be GW materials? Its rather hard for me to customize my orkyness without using plasticard, plastic tubes, toothpicks, or whatever random material i can find.
Technically my warboss on his bike is illegal because the entirety of his structure integrity is custom materials, not GW stuff, even though only his front fender and the platform on his back are visible nonGW stuff.

Actually custom-made isn't so much a no-no, it's models from other companies. At least I've seen a lot of comments about how scratch-built has been fine to use in GW stores. At least as long as your entire army isn't scratch-built.

Of course some places are so uptight that not even custom stuff is allowed, but is such a place worth going to anyway?

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As others have said, you should be fine with Maurader minaitures.

As for Battlemasters, though it is a Milton Bradley game, the box does say "designed with Games Workshop" on the back, so you should be ok there also. However, those would have to be on appropriate GW sized bases since they came on unique multibase platforms.

As long as they were painted, I don't think Battlemasters figs would cause any question, especially since they are so very similar to warhammer figs from the same period. I've heard that alot of folks purchased BM figs to suplement their WHFB armies.

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