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Can the classic haemonculi coven with plenty of wracks and grotesques and war engines be good in 6th ed?

Why not. I'd add one or two Beastmaster units for cc goodness. Wracks and Grotesques can be very durable. Not sure about War Engines/Taloi since you need some anti-armor in the form of Ravagers or flyers.

Yeah I was planning on something along these lines:

HQ's
Haemonculi w/ liquifier
Haemonculi w/ liquifier
(2 separate units for the double force org)

Troops
6x 10 Wracks w/ liquifier in a raider

Fast Attack
5 Beastmasters w/ Razorflocks

Heavy Support
4x Ravager
Voidraven w/ 4 monoscythe missiles


That should be around 2k

This would certainly be a starting point. Wracks and Grotesques are costly money-wise. So I would go step by step playing some games at smaller pt games.

I would actually be running them as an Imperial Mutants counts-as force using a lot of Warmahordes and fantasy bits

Haemonculi can still do well; grotesques benefit a lot from the new fnp rules. I play mine with an eldar detachment to get 4++ saves. Its an army type that people don't usually come up against, so it means that many people don't know what to do against it. My tactics now are, how much S10 do you have? Well that's too bad, and then march up the board.

Talos are not hugely survivable, but T7 makes quite a difference against S5-8 weapons, combined with cover saves can take away even more fire power away from the rest of your army.

 lord_bobbington wrote:
Haemonculi can still do well; grotesques benefit a lot from the new fnp rules. I play mine with an eldar detachment to get 4++ saves. Its an army type that people don't usually come up against, so it means that many people don't know what to do against it. My tactics now are, how much S10 do you have? Well that's too bad, and then march up the board.

Talos are not hugely survivable, but T7 makes quite a difference against S5-8 weapons, combined with cover saves can take away even more fire power away from the rest of your army.

Well, Taloi are too slow and they occupy HS slots which could be spent better elsewhere, say with Ravagers and Flyers.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 lord_bobbington wrote:
Haemonculi can still do well; grotesques benefit a lot from the new fnp rules. I play mine with an eldar detachment to get 4++ saves. Its an army type that people don't usually come up against, so it means that many people don't know what to do against it. My tactics now are, how much S10 do you have? Well that's too bad, and then march up the board.

Talos are not hugely survivable, but T7 makes quite a difference against S5-8 weapons, combined with cover saves can take away even more fire power away from the rest of your army.

Well, Taloi are too slow and they occupy HS slots which could be spent better elsewhere, say with Ravagers and Flyers.

They're no slower than the rest of the coven army, fit the theme for covens, can be put in WWP and are good for taking fire away from the rest of your army. Ravagers can be destroyed in one hit, and outside of that can have hull points torn away like paper, so they're no more survivable. DE fliers are expensive for what they can actually do and have weak armour.

So its certainly not so dry cut that you can just say "better spent elsewhere"

Idk if a Talos would be good at the anti-tank that any coven army has a danger of lacking

Here in New England a Dark Eldar list anchored by a big squad of Grotesques with Urien and the Baron attached has been doing very well at some big tournaments lately:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495427.page

Thanks. I've always tried to find a use for the baron and I think you just gave it to me!


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Could you perhaps give me a list for that army?

You're welcome. There's a link to the list in the thread I linked to.

Oh thanks, didn't see that


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Can't say I'm crazy about that list. I feel like anyone with a lot of armor could give it real trouble, even wiht the fire dragons

How so? The Fire Dragons are really there mostly to shoot down enemy flyers. The BS5, Tank Hunter, Crack Shot combo on the Quad Gun is brutal. The Voidraven, the Ravagers and the Grotesques do most of the antitank work.

The grotesque deathstar is particularly nasty, as with Urien they have S6 and start with 3 pain tokens, and the Baron gives them Hit & Run which only fails on a 6. And between the Aberration, the Baron, and Urien you have three good options for different types of challenges.

I'm a victim of quick reading agian and didn't see the quad-gun. Also having only tried with Kabalite DE before I'm sort of zoned into the mentality that darklight kills tanks. With all that in mind, I can see it doing well. Did he play against a mech-guard army with it?

I don't know. Manticores are an obvious possible counter to the Grotesques, of course, but then, any S10 shooty unit is likely to be priority #1 for the Ravagers and Voidraven. Even the Quad gun, potentially, as being up on the Bastion it has great sightlines, and the Exarch's tank hunter and power to negate cover saves could be helpful here too.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Here in New England a Dark Eldar list anchored by a big squad of Grotesques with Urien and the Baron attached has been doing very well at some big tournaments lately:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495427.page

Nice list. However I would be worried about all those shiny new armies, like Necrons.
I think that I will give it a try.

I don't like that fact that I have to bring Raiders or Venoms in a Haemie list...

I wished they released an individual vehicle for each Dark Eldar Faction...
Venoms for Wyches
Raiders for Warriors
Some organic vehicle for Haemies

 Makutsu wrote:
I don't like that fact that I have to bring Raiders or Venoms in a Haemie list...

I wished they released an individual vehicle for each Dark Eldar Faction...
Venoms for Wyches
Raiders for Warriors
Some organic vehicle for Haemies

Show off your Eldar arrogance by footslogging like a bause.