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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/30 22:42:30
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Ian Pickstock
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So wheras battle cannons can kill MEQ and pop rhinos fairly well, they're pretty rubbish against necrons. A wall of AV 13 vehicles wrecking their gak is simply out of their level.
Not sure which to take. I could take a Pask Punisher, I think that'd effectively deal with anything that doesn't have an armour value. Then swap my vets' plasma for melta and lay waste to their AV13.
Anyone got any experience in this? Are the other varients useful at all? Demolisher could be handy since necrons need to be within 24" to shoot you, and they're a shooty army. It also seems likely that an Aegis Defence line is a must-take since a BS4 model manning that would waste their flyers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/30 22:52:49
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Executioner. It can put out tons of wounds at 36" staying out of the range of Gauss. Also it severely punishes anyone using Veil for movement. It will punch out any squad that uses DS and doesn't then use their run move.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/30 22:54:18
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Demolisher is probably the worst against necrons, since its 24" range means it'll probably get glanced to death as soon as it gets in range to shoot.
I find the regular LRBT to be just fine, its AP3 will knock down almost unit in the necron codex, and its range will keep it out of danger. I also 2nd the Executioner. Although its 36" range means its getting awefully close.
Leave the high AV targets to something else to handle. For the flyers, no russ variant will do much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/30 22:58:09
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The punisher with side sponsons of heavy bolters seems pretty nasty against necrons. 29 s5 shots at 36 inches is nasty against those blobs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/30 23:03:24
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Bane Lord Tartar Sauce
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BryllCream wrote:So wheras battle cannons can kill MEQ and pop rhinos fairly well, they're pretty rubbish against necrons. A wall of AV 14 flyers wrecking their gak is simply out of their level.
Not sure which to take. I could take a Pask Punisher, I think that'd effectively deal with anything that doesn't have an armour value. Then swap my vets' plasma for melta and lay waste to their AV13.
Anyone got any experience in this? Are the other varients useful at all? Demolisher could be handy since necrons need to be within 24" to shoot you, and they're a shooty army. It also seems likely that an Aegis Defence line is a must-take since a BS4 model manning that would waste their flyers.
Where are you getting that Necrons have AV14 fliers? Their fliers are AV11, and I would argue that while good in numbers they aren't as crazy as the Vendetta or Helldrake. The only AV14 in the Necron Codex is the Monolith, which isn't nearly as good as it used to be. Necrons can bring a lot of AV13 ground vehicles, but there are a lot of options to deal with those.
Ultimately, I don't even think Russes in general are decent against Necrons. Necrons more than any other army excel at dealing with expensive, high AV threats, due to the fact that their basic infantry can strip points from AV14 as easily as they do from AV10. If you had to take Russes, I would say that which russ you take depends on which Necron list you expect to be fighting. If you expect to be fighting Flyers, I wouldn't take any unless you couldn't fill your points any other way. If you did HAVE to take a russ, I'd take the LRBT since it's main weapon has enough range that you might be able to get a T1 table if your opponent goes all in on flier spam, or whatever the Autocannon Russ is to try to volume of fire their fliers (although in both cases they aren't strong choices, just the best Russ). If you are expecting silver tide, I'd say the Russ or the Demolisher, due to the pie plates potentially taking out huge portions of their squads. However, with RP unless you wipe a squad out, you can only expect to do 1/3 to 1/2 of your expected casualties. If they are playing with a lot of Ghost Arks or Annihilation Barges, Demolishers are probably your best bet, since they laugh off Tesla shots and have a decent chance of penetrating the vehicles, bumping them down to AV11. If they are taking Scarab Farm, I'd again go with the LRBT, since you can ID the swarms from a safe distance. If they are taking Wraithwing, again a Large Blast Template Russ, since even though you aren't stripping their save, when you do hit you at least ID them. However, I will reiterate that Russes ARE NOT GREAT AGAINST NECRONS, and you would probably be better off using other options in the codex, such as artillery or Vendettas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/30 23:21:48
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Ian Pickstock
Nottingham
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I meant AV 13 vehicles
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/31 00:04:36
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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vanquisher with hull lascannon and sponson multimeltas.
The vanquisher has a very good chance of throwing off quantum shielding, relative to basically anything else in the codex, much less russes, and Ap2+open topped is sassy. The lascannon also helps with this. In a pinch, so do the multimeltas.
Said multimeltas are also good against non-sheilded necron vehicles, what with having a 30" threat range, and they also put real wounds on their annoying overlords. I could possibly see an argument for heavy bolter sponsons, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/31 00:06:38
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Ian Pickstock
Nottingham
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I'm thinking two Vanqiuishers w/lascannons and Multi Meltas plus Punisher Pask. At 1500 points cram the rest of my list with an Aegis and a couple of blobs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/31 00:10:44
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sure.
I also forgot to note that the ultra vanquisher is actually decent against the fliers as well. Yeah, you're only hitting on 6's, but you've got 4 guns, and any of them are basically guaranteed a penetration when they hit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/31 01:27:01
Subject: Best Anti-Necron Russ?
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Fixture of Dakka
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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