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Ok I'm planning to make a really bad Nid army and see what happens. It will probably take me ages to complete (especialy that I dislike Pyrovore model so most of those will be converted) but I really want it. Reasons are ultra handicap, to test the boundaries of the system and to have fun ofc converting all those models and play with them. Anyway I need a plan.

HQ

Parasite of Mortrex 160

Troops

2x Rippers (7) 140

Elite

9 x Pyrovore 405

Heavy Support

Old One Eye 260

Carnifex (3) (regeneration, twin linked deathspitter, bio plasma
adrenal glands, toxin sacs) 720

Tyrranofex (adrenal glands, toxin sacs, regeneration, rupture cannon) 315

Any thoughts, ideas? Note that there have to be as little synergy as possible, no synapse apart from Parasite, no troops to not have a possibility to claim objectives etc, if you catch something that might work please let me know. Isn't Tyrranofex too good there, I gave him rupture cannon because it is probably going to stay where it's deployed. Or bio plasma + deathspitter carnifex, isn't that somehow good at multi role though stupid expensive? Maybe too many MCs might at times become a problem for my opponents?

I will also make a unit of 3x Lictor and a Deathleaper to toy with. I want to have about 2000pts here in the end. Also if it turns out fexes never fire because of no synapse, I may drop deathspitters and bioplasma from them, the loadouts should be stupid but at least usable (bar toxin sacs but I couldn't resist).

Thanks in advance.

Well it is a bad list as intended. So you are trying to win with a bad list? At least give yourself 1 scoring unit minus if you get big guns never tire.

Take a Deathleaper

 conker249 wrote:
Well it is a bad list as intended.

Thanks. I feel it's bad but am checking for ideas to make it worse within reason.

 conker249 wrote:
So you are trying to win with a bad list?

Winning with it would be funny that's for sure but it's also about the fact that these are all options from the codex and I will see the impact of list building with sth like min/max in reverse if that makes sense.

I want at least a one piece of every unit from the dex anyway, I have close to 2k in more succesful Nids game-wise so I will happily use the models from OP in the better lists and combinations (well maybe not Pyrovores but I hope to model some of those in a way that resembles Biovores or Hive Guards a bit, enough for friendly games at least). Not to mention that when I finish it it could be really close to new codex and some of those might turn out much better.

 conker249 wrote:
At least give yourself 1 scoring unit minus if you get big guns never tire.

Good point, I will think of sth to replace the Tyrranofex.

macexor wrote:
Take a Deathleaper

Yep that's my alternate elite section, Deathleaper + 3x or 6x Lictor mainly depending on bits box.

Fun lists are fun with 'nids. Micetic spore with pyrovores is fun suicidal plan. Deep strike that behind lines and run close to the enemy. Either they shoot it and possibly make it explode, assault it and get flamed or leave it alone and you wreck havoc. I like the idea of your list making. But having one scoring unit will make it more enjoyable being able to take objectives.

If you're going for a scoring unit, make it termagants with spike rifles and stranglewebs. Those things are awful.

 conker249 wrote:
Fun lists are fun with 'nids.

Yep I love them. I have fun even thinking of this army tbh, not to mention the cheap jokes I will try on opponents like this is the popular netlist, Pyrovores own in 6th etc.

 conker249 wrote:
Micetic spore with pyrovores is fun suicidal plan. Deep strike that behind lines and run close to the enemy. Either they shoot it and possibly make it explode, assault it and get flamed or leave it alone and you wreck havoc.

I will try spores with them for sure, that might make them a bit OP (heh) vs what I want though so those won't be on the primary list.

 conker249 wrote:
I like the idea of your list making. But having one scoring unit will make it more enjoyable being able to take objectives.

Rippers are scoring and I have 14 of them... er anyway yes few troops that's another thing that will be tried for sure but basic idea is a crap army that has to destroy the opponent to win, no objective taking sheningans so to speak.

Arson Fire wrote:
If you're going for a scoring unit, make it termagants with spike rifles and stranglewebs. Those things are awful.

Thanks I will make a few like 2 units of 10 or one blob of 30..

Rippers are not scoring. Congratulations on an awful list however! Try giving that Tyrannofex fleshborer hives though. And I think even worse than Pyrovores is three venomthropes... in a spore pod.

Plumbumbarum wrote:

Rippers are scoring and I have 14 of them... er anyway yes few troops that's another thing that will be tried for sure but basic idea is a crap army that has to destroy the opponent to win, no objective taking sheningans so to speak.

Nah, swarms usr.

Also, take sky-slashers for fast attack.

 jifel wrote:
Rippers are not scoring.

hubbsey wrote:
Nah, swarms usr.

Ah ok didn't see that, never used them just checked point cost.

 jifel wrote:
Congratulations on an awful list however!

Thanks!

 jifel wrote:
Try giving that Tyrannofex fleshborer hives though. And I think even worse than Pyrovores is three venomthropes... in a spore pod.

hubbsey wrote:
Also, take sky-slashers for fast attack.

So many good ideas, might be hard to sqeeze it into the list without compromising on inefficiency somwhere else. Assault Venomthropes in a pod that's just too awesome, I might go Pyrovores, Deathleaper and podded Venomthropes though I fear the latter two might accidentaly work together from time to time. I think I'll drop a fex or too that HS was too strong anyway, sky slashers should fit then too, have to sit and count it later today.

New List: 1998 pts

----- HQ -------------------------------
1. The Parasite of Mortrex (160pts)

----- Troop ----------------------------
1. Ripper Swarm Brood (225pts)
- 9x Ripper Swarm base
- 9x Adrenal Glands, 9x Toxin Sacs, 9x Tunnel Swarm, 9x Spinefists
2. Ripper Swarm Brood (225pts)
- 9x Ripper Swarm base
- 9x Adrenal Glands, 9x Toxin Sacs, 9x Tunnel Swarm, 9x Spinefists
3. Ripper Swarm Brood (225pts)
- 9x Ripper Swarm base
- 9x Adrenal Glands, 9x Toxin Sacs, 9x Tunnel Swarm, 9x Spinefists
4. Ripper Swarm Brood (225pts)
- 9x Ripper Swarm base
- 9x Adrenal Glands, 9x Toxin Sacs, 9x Tunnel Swarm, 9x Spinefists
5. Ripper Swarm Brood (225pts)
- 9x Ripper Swarm base
- 9x Adrenal Glands, 9x Toxin Sacs, 9x Tunnel Swarm, 9x Spinefists
6. Ripper Swarm Brood (56pts)
- 4x Ripper Swarm base
- 4x Adrenal Glands

----- Elite ----------------------------
1. Pyrovore Brood (135pts)
- 3x Pyrovore
2. Pyrovore Brood (135pts)
- 3x Pyrovore
3. Pyrovore Brood (135pts)
- 3x Pyrovore

----- Fast Attack ----------------------
1. Sky-Slasher Swarm Brood (252pts)
- 9x Sky-Slasher Swarm
- 9x Adrenal Glands, 9x Toxin Sacs, 9x Spinefists

Bonus points for losing the Parasite on turn 1, then watching all the Rippers die from lack of synapse!

Jesus I think I'm going to proxy that some day. toxin sacs there might be a bit OP though. I don't want to actualy buld it, this way I wouldn't get the rarely used models I want but the sad truth is slowly reaching my consciousness... that list is so much worse than the initial one. I feel a bit WAAC now.

The best bad list probably involves spore mines purchased as a unit. I would say parasite, 9 pyrovores(or 9 venomthropes in spods), maxed spore mines, as many non-upgraded rippers as possible, and then fill the rest in with a t-fex with fleshborer hive.

Spamming pyrovores may actually give them enough redundancy to be useful, which you definitely want to avoid.

Fascinating read, you're really going to go for this?
Its a lot of money surely for a list that (whilst fun) will have a dam hard time winning? I applaud the passion though

I salute your ingenuity sir. I concur that spore mines are a good way to fill up points without acheiving a whole lot.

uberjoras wrote:
The best bad list probably involves spore mines purchased as a unit. I would say parasite, 9 pyrovores(or 9 venomthropes in spods), maxed spore mines, as many non-upgraded rippers as possible, and then fill the rest in with a t-fex with fleshborer hive.

Spore mines would be great, rippers and mines everywhere! Rippers dying because they can't fit in synapse area are great as a one time joke but are a bit OTT with stupidity for the sake of stupidity though. It's just like giving shooting weapons to a Carnifex that is not going to shoot 99% time, too much a waste.

I'll do it anyway, have to read those ripper rules properly and if there's a shade of chance they will get to enemy, they're worth a try just like toxin sacs on carnifex for that Avatar of Khaine showing up. I'm thinking of making 2 lists with one of them double FoC, the possibilities are endless there. Need to sit and count it properly.

 loota boy wrote:
Spamming pyrovores may actually give them enough redundancy to be useful, which you definitely want to avoid.

Yes especialy in the infantry edition but that's the fun part, one version of the army will have 9 Pyrovores for that probably rare game where someone looses with me. Loosing to Pyrovores led by Parasite, takes a strong man to withstand.

 Ratius wrote:
Fascinating read, you're really going to go for this?
Its a lot of money surely for a list that (whilst fun) will have a dam hard time winning?

Yes 99% as the 1% goes for end of the world, meth addiction, bankrupcy and what not. As for money it shouldn't be that bad, I have tons of spare bits, can buy used stuff and already own Carnifexes, some rippers, some mines, it will cost me for sure but I plan to take my time. As for winning I want those units anyway, Parasite, Deathleaper, Lictors maybe not Pyrovores as I dislike the models but all will be converted and as far as rules go they have to make them better some day (9th edition?). All the models mentioned make a tragic list when together but individualy can get useful in other lists and I have plenty of proper nids to mix them with, I like to experiment sometimes need to handicap myself so that's all good. Loosing is not a problem btw, loosing too much and too easy is boring for you and your opponent so you want to avoid that in the long run, that's why I try not to sabotage myself completly. Have to say the temptation is strong though.

 Ratius wrote:
I applaud the passion though

Thanks

 Reanimator wrote:
I salute your ingenuity sir. I concur that spore mines are a good way to fill up points without acheiving a whole lot.

Thanks I am a bit of 40k hipster.

I'd add old one eye to the list. Slow, expensive and no ranged weaponry - so will just take 3 turns of shooting and die without engaging anything.

Rippers are useless. Necron scarabs have a purpose as they can strip armour - rippers just give kill points up.

Pyrovores are pretty useless.

For an HQ you can waste a mass of points on useless upgrades for a hive tyrant. Implant attack, acid blood, toxic miasma, thorax weapon etc. You can make him really ineffective and cost well over 300 pts if you work on it.

Old One Eye is a must, there's no doubt about it. As for Tyrant, even with stupid upgrades I'd say it's scary and dangerous, too good imo.