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So. I admit it, I really like the DA book and the Dark Vengeance box set plopped some DA in my lap... so I am converting over my SM termies to deathwing . So I will go from having 5 to having 15.
Anyway, I grabbed a bunch of bits, shoulders, regalia, and among them is a heavy flamer assault cannon, and the plasma canon. The PC is already on one conversion. I have one with an Assault Cannon already from the DV set, so I was thinking heavy flamer, but...
I am not sure whether or not I will put on another assault cannon, reason being that I like them, and I know what they can do, but I have not used a heavy flamer with terms yet. Whether I go 10 and 5 or three groups of 5 I still have the room for one more with a heavy weapon,

So, should I use a Heavy flamer and have variety (which is what I was thinking ), or put another assault cannon on because they can hit hard?

Flamers are nice for dealing with models that are in cover. I prefer the options. I have 4 DW squads with 2 ACs, 1 heavy flamer and 1 cyclone missile launcher. All of mine were put together before the new codex so I am considering replacing an AC with a plasma cannon to cover all the bases. Have to see if I get around to doing so.

Skriker

Flamers are fantastic for every other army but DW generally with DW range can be an issue taking a gun with no range can hurt your damage output. That said 2 HF's in a man belial Dropped unit would be quite effective.

 captain collius wrote:
Flamers are fantastic for every other army but DW generally with DW range can be an issue taking a gun with no range can hurt your damage output. That said 2 HF's in a man belial Dropped unit would be quite effective.

With teleport homers in the ravenwing, you charge your bikes forward and drop your DW right on the front porch of the enemy and flame away. If your DW had to walk across the whole table before they could engage with the flamer I would agree, but you just don't have to do that so it really isn't much of a liability.

Skriker

 Skriker wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
Flamers are fantastic for every other army but DW generally with DW range can be an issue taking a gun with no range can hurt your damage output. That said 2 HF's in a man belial Dropped unit would be quite effective.

With teleport homers in the ravenwing, you charge your bikes forward and drop your DW right on the front porch of the enemy and flame away. If your DW had to walk across the whole table before they could engage with the flamer I would agree, but you just don't have to do that so it really isn't much of a liability.

Skriker

Generally agreed, My point is simply that most people try to split their army up so that you cannot concentrate all your terminators in one place and when you are slogging to get over to the next squad you cannot do very much with a heavy flamer if the next squad is not right next to you.

 Skriker wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
Flamers are fantastic for every other army but DW generally with DW range can be an issue taking a gun with no range can hurt your damage output. That said 2 HF's in a man belial Dropped unit would be quite effective.

With teleport homers in the ravenwing, you charge your bikes forward and drop your DW right on the front porch of the enemy and flame away. If your DW had to walk across the whole table before they could engage with the flamer I would agree, but you just don't have to do that so it really isn't much of a liability.

Skriker

This would be my tactic with HF aswell. I try to keep my Terminators within range to support each other as well, as with so few numbers its easy for them to get overwhelmed. Personally I dont use heavy flamers, as I have found them to most situational and prefer to use the points on PC/AC/CML instead.

Put the flamer* with TH/SS and lightning claw terminators. It fits the assault oriented squad much better than the shooty one. I wish vanilla termies would have that option.

* and give him a chainfist.

 captain collius wrote:
Generally agreed, My point is simply that most people try to split their army up so that you cannot concentrate all your terminators in one place and when you are slogging to get over to the next squad you cannot do very much with a heavy flamer if the next squad is not right next to you.

Ahhh...ok. Gotcha! That does make sense then.

Skriker


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 Crimson wrote:
Put the flamer* with TH/SS and lightning claw terminators. It fits the assault oriented squad much better than the shooty one. I wish vanilla termies would have that option.

* and give him a chainfist.

Definitely this. One of the things that led me to Dark Angels in the first place was the ability to have hand to hand termies with shooty termies so that I could have a flamer supporting my assaulters.

Skriker