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Hey guys so I enjoy using psychic powers alot and so I wanted to do a Psyker heavy army that is a force of "good". Now I am stuck between Eldar and Grey Knights. Eldar I like because they are basically space elves (and i currently play Dark Elves in fantasy so there is a little connection lol) however the Grey Knights appeal to me because every unit that is actualy a GK (in other words not inquisitorial stufff) is a psyker. Now I know with eldar I can take lots of guaridan squads and add war locks to them which also seems pretty cool. So I now need your opinions as I cant decide I am not too bothered about power level so much as id rather just have a army which is fun to play but at the same time I want it to be a bit challenging to use as I currently play word bearers and space marines. I also have a daemon army (and I actually enjoy using both my chaos armies more than my loyalist marines). So out of Eldar and Grey Knights which one do you guys feel would suit me more

Well, I have both armies and played Eldar a lot in the previous editions. Now Eldar basically sucks due to the new rules in the 6th edition. But this might change a bit when the new codex (this year eventually) will be released.
Grey Knights are a different story. They are a competitive army with lots of psykers as you said. I'd go for GK at the moment and look out for Eldar later.

Eldar. There needs to be more Xenos in the game. I'm trying tobring my wife around to the idea of getting done Orks, and would probably doEldar myself if I started a new army.

Another thing in the Eldars favour is that they actually have a battle force (which is good for me as I hate buying armies bit by bit lol). Also i already own the Eldar book (brought it back in 5th editon as I was considering doing a Eldar army then. Obviously while I am building either force up they will be a ally to my Astral Drakes army. In a way I do prefere the Eldar because I love the look of their tanks and their units look really cool (namely Scorpions and Banshees). ALso Eldar give me a chance to make my own craft world so its definately swinging in the Eldars favour so far however it may swing in the GKs favour if there is something which can push me back towards them

Eldar have the Seer Council, which are all (low-powered) psykers.
Stick them on jet-bikes, add a Farseer, and you've got a fast, hard-hitting, psyker squad.

If you're building a force up slowly, grab Guardian jetbikes and a farseer, and convert them up as you go.
A GJB squad as allies can be great for a slow force like Marines.

Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
Eldar. There needs to be more Xenos in the game. I'm trying tobring my wife around to the idea of getting done Orks, and would probably doEldar myself if I started a new army.

Wow. That's how is it in new zealand eh?

Right now I am seening more Xenos than imperial in every event I attend. I am lucky if even 50% of the matchups I'm facing are MEQ. Usually its daemons, orks, 'crons, or DE/Eldar.

Part of the reason is the large amount of MEQ killers that people (like myself) are bringing. Helldrakes, flamers, screamers, wraiths, etc...

Eldar is certainly a more challenging army; you can't rely on heavy firepower or mass amounts of boots on the ground in order to save you when you slip up. I may be biased toward Eldar, but I've constantly found myself seduced by the idea of having a GK simply for the Pre-Ward fluff. I'll respect an Eldar player much more, however, than a GK player simply because, if you have ever played Eldar as a spray and pray army, you know you'll be stomped into the dust.
With Eldar, you need to be careful with your units, much like Tyranids, except you don't have nearly as many as the poor nid players. I like the playstyle that this brings about, because it makes you feel, and play, like every Eldar life is precious, and if it must be spent, then it must be spent well, where as GK is your casual 3+ or 2+ 'come at me bro' kind of army, except with Warp Quake.
The Eldar codex is one of the older ones (I think Tau is currently the oldest, or BT, but I'm not sure, don't hate me) and it shows; but that being said, it isn't a helpless codex by any stretch of the imagination. If you win with an Eldar army (minus all the Allies malarkey) then you have good reason to be proud, but you have to work hard for it.

Well from what people have said in this thread the Eldar are definately seeming more promising I dont think il be taking anything which people class as cheesy from the Eldar book (so no eldrad).. Quick question about Eldar.in small point games (say 500 points) are exarchs that useful or is it worth not taking them. for 500 points im of Eldar im thinking
HQ
Autarch Tyrion
Mandiblasters Power Weapon

Troops
10x Guardians with Scatter Laser

5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpant with Scatter Laser(Dedicated Transport for the Avengers who go in it with the Autarch)

Heavy Support
Warwarlker with 2 scatter lasers

This gives me 420 points which gives me 2 scoring units a HQ a Av12 transport and a scouting walker. I know the Autarch probably dosent make sense when a Farseer is so much better but at this points level I would rather have a CC HQ lead my army. for the army plan overall I want to run a mixed mech foot dar army

I really enjoy the look of the eldar. The only army I like more are my orks. Would love to build an eldar army after my orks just for flavor. I'm the only ork player in my area and nobody seems to play eldar either. Xenos all the way. Somebody has to break up all the space marine flavors.

I suggest Eldar. Why? Because they look better.

Wel the opinions in this thread have definately helped me make my decison I have decided to go with the Eldar as I do love the thought of creating my own craft world along with playing the under dog. Plus as Eldar are rare in my meta I might actually win a few games with them as people wont know exactly how to counter them. Im gonna run a mixed list half mech half foot dar and I am also creating my own craft world. I will keep the poll running as it will be interesting to see how the poll goes thanks for the help guys

Grey knight's are cheaper to build an army out of (The kit's seem expencive, but each one is about 3 times more points worth than the eldar ones)

They are also newer models, which is a plus, as some eldar thing's can look a little dated by this point. Their rules are also more recent.

However, if you want to be a bit unique, Eldar are much rarer to see than grey knight's.

But in the end, it's up to you, and the army's both look, and play, very differently.

Captaintyrius wrote:
Well from what people have said in this thread the Eldar are definately seeming more promising I dont think il be taking anything which people class as cheesy from the Eldar book (so no eldrad).. Quick question about Eldar.in small point games (say 500 points) are exarchs that useful or is it worth not taking them. for 500 points im of Eldar im thinking
HQ
Autarch Tyrion
Mandiblasters Power Weapon

Troops
10x Guardians with Scatter Laser

5x Dire Avengers
Wave Serpant with Scatter Laser(Dedicated Transport for the Avengers who go in it with the Autarch)

Heavy Support
Warwarlker with 2 scatter lasers

This gives me 420 points which gives me 2 scoring units a HQ a Av12 transport and a scouting walker. I know the Autarch probably dosent make sense when a Farseer is so much better but at this points level I would rather have a CC HQ lead my army. for the army plan overall I want to run a mixed mech foot dar army

I'd swap out the autarch for a farseer, and possibly drop the war walker in favour of more dire avengers and an exarch with dual catapults and bladestorm. give the farseer doom and guide and then run around bladestorming people, re-rolling hits and wounds. You can drop marine squads in a single round of shooting with that. 500 points is kinda rough for us Eldar though. It's tough to get in any elites or big guns at that level, and our troops are kinda garbage, so I rarely play at less that 1000 points with my Eldar.

Well im planning to buy the battle force and a far seer my seer shall use one power from divination and one power from telepathy (super mind war FTW)

I'd go Eldar. You'd be getting a new 'dex later this year, and you'd get a lot of psyker mojo for your buck.

That being said, I think that if you get deeper into the fluff, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who actually is "good." (Although you'd find lots of groups which claim that, the Grey Knights among them...)

I think if any race is good it has to be the Eldar (yes we have done bad things in the past but we are trying to make up for it). I mean they are fighting on every front while trying to restore their own race and when you have your cousins who love pain raiding planets left right and center you have gotta have sympathy for them

Lol, we shall just have to disagree.

Sympathy you shall have, however. (Despite my prejudice against elves, even I have to admit the Eldar got a pretty raw deal.)

I think that, for me, one of the biggest draws to the 40k universe is that there aren't any good guys. Some people are more subtle in their evil, or evil in a different way, but I don't think any of them are what we'd call "good." I think the Eldar fall into the "evil by apathy" or "selfish evil" categories. They don't really care about people other than themselves, and they certainly aren't going to risk their own ageless fannies to save some short-lived barely conscious simians, regardless of the morality involved. ("What would be the point? They'd just die in a few years anyway....")

I'll wholeheartedly agree that the Eldar are one of the least malevolent armies out there, fluffwise. Their evil is very rarely an active kind of evil, and when it is, it's usually a "better you than me" sort of thing.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Lol, we shall just have to disagree.

Sympathy you shall have, however. (Despite my prejudice against elves, even I have to admit the Eldar got a pretty raw deal.)

I think that, for me, one of the biggest draws to the 40k universe is that there aren't any good guys. Some people are more subtle in their evil, or evil in a different way, but I don't think any of them are what we'd call "good." I think the Eldar fall into the "evil by apathy" or "selfish evil" categories. They don't really care about people other than themselves, and they certainly aren't going to risk their own ageless fannies to save some short-lived barely conscious simians, regardless of the morality involved. ("What would be the point? They'd just die in a few years anyway....")

I'll wholeheartedly agree that the Eldar are one of the least malevolent armies out there, fluffwise. Their evil is very rarely an active kind of evil, and when it is, it's usually a "better you than me" sort of thing.

I agree with you very much they are not inhenrently evil (like the forces of chaos) and they are malicously evil (like old crons I ignore the newcrons) they are very much trying to survive and rebuild their race even if that means humans have to die.

I would go for eldar they are a more interesting army than the grey knights with the aspect warriors and the different colour schemes.

Now I have 100% decided on the Eldar im trying to decide on a paint scheme for my Craftworld (obviously aspect warriors will be painted their colours) so for my guardians etc I am thinking of doing Balthasar Gold with Caledor sky on Helmets and lead belcher for weapons

Painting Aspect Warriors in their colors is one way to go. I went another way painting them coherently in green. See (at the GT final 2008): http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/6943-.html?m=2

True, Aspect Warriors either keep their aspect's colours, or adopt their craftworld's.
Rainbow or uniform, both can work.

There's not a lot of metal used in Eldar manufacture, IIRC. I usually use metallic paint for pipes and grilles, but I find that weapons and vehicles usually look better if you assume the chassis and framework is made of wraithbone.

The battleforce is a good one. You can probably shop around and get them quite cheap.
When I was starting out with Eldar, whenever I needed a Wave Serpent or War Walker, I looked to get a battleforce instead. I'd end up getting both eventually anyway, and it helped to fill out the army. I did stop at 3, though.

When I started, I got super lucky on Bartertown and I was able to nab an old style Battleforce

1 Waveserpant
20 Guardians
3 Jetbikes
and 1 Vyper.

Best $90 I ever spent on this hobby. It's also a good variety of units so you can get a feel for the army; Everything is squishy, even your tanks.