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So I realy want to try Warmachine and Hordes but the people people that play miniatures games here is my friends, Who play only Warhammer.. So I'm trying to get them intrested in trying Warmachine and Hordes (Dont know how I'l do that though..)

Anyways, I was wondering if the two played starter boxes are good? Are they balanced so each army have roughly the same points? (And not like the Warhammer ones where one army has 500 points and one has 900 points and stuff..) Also, Do the templates come with the starter box or should I buy them seperately?

Merellin wrote:
So I realy want to try Warmachine and Hordes but the people people that play miniatures games here is my friends, Who play only Warhammer.. So I'm trying to get them intrested in trying Warmachine and Hordes (Dont know how I'l do that though..)

Anyways, I was wondering if the two played starter boxes are good? Are they balanced so each army have roughly the same points? (And not like the Warhammer ones where one army has 500 points and one has 900 points and stuff..) Also, Do the templates come with the starter box or should I buy them seperately?

Each army in the box has a fully playable 20 pts army.

The box comes with the 2 armies, dice, ruler and a fully functional mini rulebook. You will have to buy the templates separately.

Alright, Thanks a lot for the help! Hopefully I'l be able to convince someone to atleast try Warmachine and Hordes and get the starter boxes with me.

The fact that Warmachine and Hordes seems cheeper then Warhammer (Since even though some models cost slightly more, You need alot less of them) might help me to get them intrested.

Yes! I managed to convince a friend to try Warmachine! I have orderd the two player starter box and the templates and hopefully we will be able to try it soon! ^_^

Don't forget the card sleeves and magic markers for the stat cards.

Its a bit of a myth that Warmachine is cheaper. Its cheaper to start out, and the battleboxes are amazing deals, but if you are making a well rounded collection that can play multiple types of lists it ends up being around the same price as Warhammer.

And you want to play this game competitivly, its designed around competition play, its super fun.

The entry cost to warmahordes is much lower than 40k; however, like all expandable hobbies, the upper limit is dictated only by your financial limit.

I did forget card sleaves.. Going to have to see if I can find those somewhere.. Still realy excited about trying Warmachine! ^_^ Hmm.. Dont know what size for card sleaves to get though.. I dont know what size the Warmachine cards are.. I found two sizes of card sleaves, 59 x 92 mm and 56 x 87 mm.. What ones am I suposed to get for Warmachine? The smaller ones are called Standard American so i'm guessing that.. Says they are good for Fantasy Flight Games cards..

The two player starter boxes are the best deal for money that you're gonna find in terms of getting into this game.

Merellin wrote:
I did forget card sleaves.. Going to have to see if I can find those somewhere.. Still realy excited about trying Warmachine! ^_^ Hmm.. Dont know what size for card sleaves to get though.. I dont know what size the Warmachine cards are..

Standard MtG sleeves work just fine. If there's a place that sells MtG they should have sleeves. Usually in packs of 100 for a buck, hence why we call them penny sleeves.

Yea its pretty obvious that GW's products are more expensive than PP's since almost alot of the forum posts and article rants talk about it. I may be new to WM/H but you cant lie, Your looking to save about tens, if not hundreds of dollars if you compare a WM/H army and a WH40K army.

Warhammer has way more models, which is another reason why the price is high, while WarmaHordes is a small-based scale wargame which is also another reason why its cheaper than WH40K.

Again, not really true.

If you are only playing 35 point games and have maybe a total of 50 points of models, sure.

But if you are regularly playing 50 point games and have 150-200 points of models you are looking at a comperable cost to warhammer.

I figured out why Warmachines/Hordes seems cheaper than Warhammer 40k. I real money terms both game types will cost about for same for a decent size army.

They difference lies in a typical Warmachine army you get many different types of units. When you switch a few warjacks/ jack marshal your army plays very differently while you can retain the use of most units you have

In 40K your army consists of many of the same units. I have to buy 8 boxes of 5 man assault troops for a blood angels jumper list. If I want a different playstyle, say a mech list. My assualt troops will have minimum use. I will have to spend the equvilent of a 'new' army.

I found a couple of places that sell card sleaves, But they have a bunch of diferent sizes and I dont know what size I should get, Dont know hat size Magic cards have.. XD

Mine are 3x3.5, so thats about the size you want.

And there is another problem! I dont know american measurements.. The sizes are listed in milimeters.. XD

7x9.5 centimeters help?

That would make them almost as wide as they are tall.. And none of the ones I'v found are that wide.. Hmm...

My error, they are a little over 6 3/4 wide. and 9 centimeters tall.

*nods* Thanks for the help! I'l look arround and see if I can find some that will fit ^_^

 Grey Templar wrote:
Again, not really true.

If you are only playing 35 point games and have maybe a total of 50 points of models, sure.

But if you are regularly playing 50 point games and have 150-200 points of models you are looking at a comperable cost to warhammer.

I find this statement is wholly accurate. In that if you have a 150-200 points of models, yeah at that point you may have spent as much money as someone putting together a 40k list of some sorts. However the number of fundamentally different lists you're going to be able to play and the variety of gameplay experience you're going to get out of those is going to be much greater.

You blow a fat wad on a 40k army and you've got pretty much that army. It's going to play very much the same regardless of adding/subtracting a few pieces for different points levels, unless you've done very heavy magnetization or build an entire new list from scratch.

Honestly you can spend any amount of $ on any hobby. However in terms of how much overall gameplay experience you're buying, Warmachine/Hordes dollars go much further imo. Except maybe cavalry...

Gents, can we not turn this thread in to a price war? It's someone just starting out

Agreed, it seems whenever we talk about two entirely different game, with the same genre, we always got something better than the other, and the other better than the other.

Anyway, why not just say their prices are 100% same instead of causing further fanwar-price-bragging on a forums unless they are fanwar-price-bragging threads, yes?

Oh oh! I have another question! If I buy the Battlegroup boxes, Can they play evenly against the Two Player starter box? I mean if you dont use the 5 man unit. The Khador one can since it is the same as the Khador starter box, But with a 5 man unit added, But the Menoth one is diferent.. Will it work too?

Some of the boxes have slight differences in point totals, and there are a few that are just weaker than others, but for learning the game they are perfectly fine to all go against each other.

What I meant (And probably compleately failed at explaining) Is do the Battlegroup boxes work with the two player starter box? If you use only the warcaster and warjacks from the two player box? I know Khador works as you have the same caster and jacks as in the Battlegroup but do the Menoth one work aswell? Since it has diferent jacks then the Battlegroup box has

Merellin wrote:
What I meant (And probably compleately failed at explaining) Is do the Battlegroup boxes work with the two player starter box? If you use only the warcaster and warjacks from the two player box? I know Khador works as you have the same caster and jacks as in the Battlegroup but do the Menoth one work aswell? Since it has diferent jacks then the Battlegroup box has

If you look on the PP site under journeyman leagues there are a list of alternate "battleboxes" that they endorse (either for variety or because the faction doesn't have an actual battlebox such as mercs/minions). The pkreoss/vanquisher/crusader/repenter is one of the listed ones, and it comes out to 13 points. I think it's better personally since I don't use an arcnode very much (and if I do it's blessing of vengeance with sevy or (call me crazy) I'm addicted to the guardian with kreoss3).

One thing to be aware of with the pricing is that the older bulkier metal models are still relatively expensive (cavalry, banes of both kinds, and IFP off the top of my head)

I'm not looking for alternative battleboxes.. I have orderd the Two player starter box and I want to know if I use only the warjacks and casters, Will they play evenly with the existing battlegroup boxes? I know Khador will since it has the same as the Battlegroup but will the Menoth force (Caster and jacks only) from the two player starterbox play well with the battleforce boxes?

Yes the jacks from the menoth portion of the two player box will play well with other battleboxes

Thanks, Then I can get the other battleforces so people can try all the factions in even matches ^_^

Edit: nvm, someone had already answered for me.