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I was reading the First Heretic last night, and had just got to where the warp spawn is showing the past to the serrated sons. When it struck me. The Emperor is not their father at all, or should I say, not the only one. But this is not the questions I put forth to you now. The question is, if Horus and the serrated sons had not been taken back in time, would have the Primarchs ever have been touched by the warp and tainted? Or was it a self fore-filling future? Would their arcane beginnings left a ghost of a touch on their souls, since they were born from five fathers and not one? Any answers to my questions would be most welcome.

You have to ask yourself as well, were they really there? Chaos a lot of the time is just smoke and mirrors and all that comes out of the mouth of Daemons is usually lies and half truths.

Personally I think that the whole dealio about showing them the past was just a push to get them on board rather than anything that would actually effect the timeline.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
You have to ask yourself as well, were they really there? Chaos a lot of the time is just smoke and mirrors and all that comes out of the mouth of Daemons is usually lies and half truths.

Personally I think that the whole dealio about showing them the past was just a push to get them on board rather than anything that would actually effect the timeline.

This.

Very true Pilau Rice, I guess the only two who could say if Horus was really there would be Valdor and the Emperor. Both frustratingly silent on the subject..so far.

 Themanwiththeplan wrote:
Very true Pilau Rice, I guess the only two who could say if Horus was really there would be Valdor and the Emperor. Both frustratingly silent on the subject..so far.

And then, if the Emperor recognised Horus, maybe not his older self but his warp signature or something, would he not have thought that something down the ages involving Horus might go awry? It's a bit of a chin scratcher isn't it, the future version of your son amidst a big swirly thing that is apparently abducting your test tube babies.

It's a bit odd.

Liked the way you ended your post. And yes it's a bit odd that he never mentions it to Horus.

There is so many questions that the moment in the time line throws up, and is more like a head grater at times. I mean, we know something happened that cast them far and wide. But since Chaos is not exactly straight talking, or down right liars. I would just like for once that the loyalists have a take on the matter(Emperor I'm looking at you).

On the same subject

The scattering happens when the Serrated Sun destroy the Geller Field generators, but their in what I can only think is a vision or spiritual sense because of Chaos, the above mentioned smoke and mirrors.

SO im wondering what actually destroyed the generators? Was it the Serrated Sun taken back in time somehow? Or were the generators destroyed by the Chaos gods in the past, and the destroying of the generators by the Serrated Sun in their vision thing with Ingethel was a symbolic gesture, pushing them over the edge to believe in Chaos?
Sorry if I straight missed an obvious answer in the novel, but its been bugging the gak out of me!

I think it's as you say ConsecratedIron, it was all smoke and mirrors and the deed was symbolic.