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Hi everyone ! I might start Warmachine, and I wondered which of these two list would be the best to begin with:

Points: 15/15
High Executioner Servath Reznik
* Reckoner
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts)
Exemplar Bastions (Leader and 4 Grunts)
High Paladin Dartan Vilmon

OR

15/15
High Allegiant Amon Ad-Raza
* Dervish
* Devout
* Crusader
* Hierophant
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 5 Grunts)
The Wrack (3 wracks)

Thx for all your answers !

Well, Amon can do very well at that sort of level with a strong skew list, but I really couldn't recommend him for a beginner. He's both quite finikity, he's very prone to assassination, and his ideal lists mean getting a bunch of lights that are usually only used in a few lists (they're not as generalist options that can be more easily thrown into any list). Don't get me wrong though, he can be a good caster, and in the right circumstances can steamroller opponents, he's just not someone I'd recommend for beginners.

Now, for Reznik, he's a hell of a lot of fun, and pretty beginner friendly. He's not our most competitive caster, but he's solid, and plays a fast aggressive game that keeps the action high. What you have there is certainly a viable list, and I think you'd have fun with it. You do have a small number of heavy hitters though, so high armour lists won't be a problem for you, but if your opponent has a significantly better threat range than you, you might run into troubles. I'd generally take a second jack (A crusader, or even a Repenter or Dervish) with him and a cheaper infantry unit, like max TFG.

Oh, and one other thing about Reznik... I played him just last night, and he destroyed an undamaged Galleon colossal in a single round by himself. There not much else in the game that can do that

Thx for theavices

As Maddermax said, I would try out Reznik since I have heard he is a pretty good caster and great for beginners. Although I would also give either pKreoss and/or pSeverius a go, as they are a couple good Casters for beginners (also pKreoss is the battle box caster so you get him and a few warjacks and build from there).


For you Reznik list, I say it is pretty good, although I would get the TFG with UA and another Warjack that can dish out a lot of damage since TFG is rather cheap and makes a great speed bump unit.

For a beginner, I would definitely avoid Amon. That said, Reznik wouldn't be my first choice either, but between the two I would advise you to pick reznik if you're hell bent on playing one of these two. He's more survivable than raza, and is fun to play (that said, I enjoy both of these casters).

For your reznik list, ditch Vilmon and put in a vassal of menoth (not the mechanik), and/or throw in another heavy, and use a cheaper unit to tarpit/screen (probably TFG, they will be used more than zealots IMO)