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Hey guys, pretty new to this. I've got two lists and I'm not sure which one would be better.

First up:

pButcher
Spriggan
Juggernaut
Widowmakers

Or:

pButcher
Juggernaut
Destroyer
Widowmakers
War Dog

Any good? The models I own are pButcher, Spriggan, War Dog, Widowmakers + all the contents of the two player box (Jugg, Destro, Sorscha, Shocktroopers), so I can add any of these to the mix. Ideally want to use the Butcher because I like his style

Thanks!

use p butcher
juggernaut
5 man shocktroopers
widowmakers
wardog


get the most you can out of his feat turn dude. you want clouds of models on the field.

well in my butcher lists i try to have the least amount of infantry as possible and the most amount of jacks as possible, because his spells work best with alot of jacks

I'm a fan of units that are fast, with AD with pButcher, and if they have Weapons Master even better.

I've run this at 15pts and its a lot for people to deal with

The Butcher of Khardov
* Berserker
* War dog
Doom Reavers (Leader and 5 Grunts)
Great Bears of Gallowswood
Kayazy Eliminators (Leader and Grunt)

Butcher's one spell that helps him run jacks requires you to have a ton of jacks for it to be worth using - you will get more attacks and damage output from infantry squads than you will from those warjacks. At 15 points, you could run 3 jacks AT MOST and his spell will likely not be enough to make that worth while. Also - with that many jacks you will have very few attacks which makes his feat alot less valuable. Alternatively, you can run a couple max infantry units and get maximum efficiency out of his feat. I guarantee that some great bears buffed from butcher will put out more damage than any of those jacks could - POW15 (with fury) weapon mastered double swinging with 5d6 on a charge? Coming in right around 33 for an avg roll there. Dont even get started on how dominant a max unit of IFPS+UA is with the same buffs.