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Re: ranged attacks

- the +2 bonus for back strikes...same as with melee you need to have started the activation in back arc?
- do'jacks or any model really... ever provide cover or concealment?
- rule says "any model within 1" of terrain that provides cover...." does this mean that if I'm near a woods.. and the enemy shooting at me doesnt actually shoot THROUGH the woods (aka its on the same side of the woods terrain as me) I still get cover?

Lasltly my previous q&a.. one quesiton confused me

Re:knocked down. So this has 0 impact on a warcaster's spellcasting capability...aka I could stand up (sacrifcing my action), the advance my full speed... and before or after move I could cast spells and/or use my Feat?

I would only need to spend focus if I wanted to do all that and also shoot/make an attack/use a STAR action?


Re: charging

Running ends your turn....

But could I charge a ver far away model move spd+3" towards it ...and still cast spells/use feat/ make RANGED attacks?

1) yes, the same as melee

2) No, they either block your LoS completely or do nothing. Even the smallest sliver is enough to target without penalty. The only time a model can provide a defense bonus is if they are in combat with each other, which gives the target in melee bonus.

3) With this rule, you have to be within 1" of the terrain in question and you have to be able to draw a line from any point on your base to any point on the other model's base. If they can be done you get cover. see my attached picture for details

4) Correct, you can spend a focus to stand up and act normally for all purposes. Except you have one less focus then normal of course.

5) Yes, but only if you cast the spells before charging. If a charge fails your activation immediately ends. Derp-charging, as the tactic you describe is called, is what you do if you want to cast spells and still get some extra movement. So you cast all your spells, then declare a charge, after which your activation ends. And no, you could not make ranged attacks as charging means you have declared you are making melee attacks.

Thanks for the answers...

in my Knocked Down warcaster example though... my warcaster isn't spending any focus at all... she just stands up....and then advances...

At this point can she still cast spells and/or use her feat on her turn?

Yes, if you forfeit either your movement or your action you can still cast spells and feat. Neither require you to be taking your action.

Spells and Feats can be used at any time, except you are not allowed to interrupt movement or an attack to do them. You can't walk 3", cast a spell, and then move the last 2" of your movement.


You can cast a spell, move, and cast more spells.

You can cast a spell, charge, cast a spell, make your charge attack, cast another spell, and then buy an attack. You can't make an attack roll, cast a spell, and then resolve the damage roll from the attack. You have to finish the attack completely first.

Re #3, I want to point out that Grey Templar's diagram is incorrect. The model partly behind the forest feature does not get concealment because forests don't grant concealment to things behind them, only within them. I find their logic for this completely nonsensical, but er, welcome to Warmachine I guess. The Infernals say it is so it is so. Here's a link on the topic.

Odd, that appears to directly contradict the rules. Forests are terrain that provide concealment.

Anyway, I stand corrected.

Their argument more or less seems to be that the specific rules for how forests grant concealment override the general rules for terrain features, which would be wonderful except the forest rules don't say they "only" provide concealment to models within the forest, just that they provide concealment to models within the forest. Bad ruling or bad writing.

I think the intention of that "within 1"" business is that it applies to obstacles and obstructions, not to the specific types of terrain like forests and hills.

Hills can provide concealment?

All I've ever played with is that they give elevation and block LoS if tall enough.

Actually, the rules for hills specifically say they don't provide cover or concealment. That seems incredibly bizarre given metres of solid earth is probably the best cover around, but I guess hills are in the clear as far as ambiguity on this issue goes. It's just forests and, potentially, trenches? Trenches make sense at least.

Anyway, there it is.

And Legion just became even more broken, shooting through forests without penalty...

The guy standing in the forest gets concealment, but the guy on the other side of the forest is buck naked for all purposes.

I'm not sure I get your meaning? They ignore the concealment of the forest anyway...

I don't think so.

IIRC Eyeless sight only ignores line of sight restrictions and clouds. Cover and concealment applies as normal for forests.

Eyeless Sight ignores concealment and stealth, as well as ignoring clouds and forests for purposes of LoS. It doesn't ignore cover.