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Special Rule<?

 

Looted Weapons: If you roll a 1 to hit with a looted weapon, a hit is scored on the unit shooting

with the weapon, instead of the target.  The opponent gets to roll To Wound ect.  Template Weapons score a single hit but do not place the template.  The Ork player gets to allocate any wound, and they don't have to be allocated to the model who fired the weapon that rolled the '1' (the Ooops...Sorry Mate!' rule)

 

This is word for word what it says in the Ork Codex.  I am wondering if this overrides the "Gets Hot" rule if I were to use Plasma weaponry.  Specifically a plasma cannon.  If it got hot would the plasma cannon toting ork get fried? Or could I remove his mate?

 

So does this rule take precidence over the BGB?

Who says that they're mutually exclusive? If you roll a '1' with a looted plasma weapon then both the Gets Hot and Ooops... Sorry Mate! rules apply.

The reason I asked in the first place was because of the wording... 'The Ork player gets to allocate any wound, and they don't have to be allocated to the model who fired the weapon that rolled the '1'
Is this a matter of rules or RAW.

Note: when firing a rapid fire weapon twice it gets hot on 1 AND 2. This is important because a model with BS 5 can can still score a hit AND be required to take an armor save. This indicates that the projectile is still fired, even though the gets hot rule is triggered. Logically it follows that on a roll of 1 the projectile is still fired, but misses. Adding in the aforementioned Ork rule, this means that the firer must take a save, AND that the Ork player's opponent gets to make one to wound roll against the firing unit, using the weapon's str.

Posted By DonkeyCannon on 03/28/2006 9:02 PM
The reason I asked in the first place was because of the wording... 'The Ork player gets to allocate any wound, and they don't have to be allocated to the model who fired the weapon that rolled the '1'
Is this a matter of rules or RAW.

And again, where does it say that the two rules are mutually exclusive?  How does the section of the Ooops... Sorry Mate! rule you've just quoted have any bearing whatsoever on the separate Gets Hot rule? 

Screw it, I'll take a lascannon

You weren't making any sense in your posts. Why would one rule interfere with the other. You have the Gets Hot rule that takes effect on the 'To Hit' roll of a 1 and you have the Ooops... Sorry Mate! rule that also takes efect on the 'To Hit' roll of a 1. While the two rules have the same trigger, they don't affect each other in the least. Both rules apply exactly as written.

Basically what Ghaz is saying is that taking any that "gets hot" as a looted weapon is a double donger if you roll a 1.

Basically what happens is you fire the plasmagun/cannon and it gets hot, resolve that wound on the firing ork.

Also the shot goes wide and "oops, sorry mate" you nail one of your own guys and you resolve that rule as well.

The difference is the "gets hot" effects the model holding the weapon, the "sorry mate" effects whomever else is in the unit.

That gives you a possibility to lose 2 models from one bad roll... "Oops it's hot, sorry mate"

Ghaz should go through you when he wants to say something instead of beating dead horses. I understood after Lord Hat explained it much more politely. Thanks Gob, If I have more Ork questions can I private message you and avoid all this conflict?

I'm not here to give you the answer on a silver platter, nor is anyone else. Try using your brain instead of just depending on 'what someone said on the internet'.

Perhaps you should have explained why two unrelated rules would have any sort of interaction at all.

EDIT: And if you'd bother to read my first post I clearly said the following:

If you roll a '1' with a looted plasma weapon then both the Gets Hot and Ooops... Sorry Mate! rules apply.

There was the answer on the silver platter and yet you still didn't understand.

You can PM me if you really want too,

I also want to say that I indeed was more or less assuming what Ghaz said. I mean I was not trying to speak for him and for that I apologise to Ghaz.

 

EDIT: Actually Ghaz has a good point, there is no clarification that two rules that share the same prerequisites would not both effect the outcome of the situation.

There is nothing saying that only one of the effects from rolling a "1" take precedence over the other, so by default the answer is "you get nailed by both".

Ghaz answered your question and offered a way to determine the answer if it ever comes up again in a similar situation.

Re-roll it with an ammo grot.

Or apply the "oops sorry mate" on him first, if he dies then the Gets Hot rule affects the dead ork.
If he miracuously passes he takes the gets hot.

Save an ork!

Posted By Ghaz on 03/30/2006 8:43 PM
I'm not here to give you the answer on a silver platter, nor is anyone else. Try using your brain instead of just depending on 'what someone said on the internet'.

Perhaps you should have explained why two unrelated rules would have any sort of interaction at all.

EDIT: And if you'd bother to read my first post I clearly said the following:

If you roll a '1' with a looted plasma weapon then both the Gets Hot and Ooops... Sorry Mate! rules apply.

There was the answer on the silver platter and yet you still didn't understand.

Why not give people the answer on a silver platter? People are here to get answers on the sometimes ambiguous rules or debatable rules of the game not to compare the size of their wangs through being smart arses and straight to the point.

I believe he was asking if the two rules implied that the 2 wounds had to be applied to 2 different models (as normal wound allocation) or if you could apply both to the shooter as the two seperate rules allow you to do on their own. If I misinterpreted or was confused by the original post then I would ask for clarification and not jump on my soap box acting as if I'm a superior being.

And what do you do when someone asks you why that's the answer? Do you just go "I don't know. Somebody on the internet said so"? You have a brain. Use it.

Posted by MrOrk2U on 04/01/2006 10:33 AM
I believe he was asking if the two rules implied that the 2 wounds had to be applied to 2 different models (as normal wound allocation) or if you could apply both to the shooter as the two seperate rules allow you to do on their own.

And I asked him to provide some sort of reasoning why that would be the case. No reasoning was provided. If he can't provide a reason why it should be played one way, why should I do any different?

You give them the answer, then you justify it through correct rule interpretations or you do what I do and just state that it is your opinion until proven otherwise.

@ your 2nd point... Well trying to be the better person is always a good start. If they can't provide you with a justification then simply don't answer them.

I'm not trying to have a go at you Ghaz, you made an effort to answer the question which is a lot more then other people. It just seems rather childish how often people come to arguments over such simple issues and misunderstandings.

And who are you to say that I have to just 'give' them the answer? It's pointless just to give them the answer, even if you spell it out for them. They have a brain, let them use it and maybe the next time they'll be able to figure it out for themselves. You don't see math teachers just giving their students the answers to the questions, do you? No. They make them work out the problem so that they learn something.

If you don't like it, then you can do it however you want but how I do it is none of your concern.

People post on YMTC to get a clear cut answer, not a lesson on how to play Warhammer or how to decifer ceratain rules.

Not that it has to do with this forum but maths teachers do give people the answer, then they justify it. Such as how YMTC is meant to work, excpet for people such as yourself who just want to flaunt their so called knowledge of the rules.

Seeing as I am part of the Dakka forum and come on here to try to learn stuff as well as trying to contribute what I can then I do see how it is part of my concern. I don't want to just get on here to listen to people such as yourself.
I may have said before that I am not trying to have a go at you but now I have changed my mind. You're obviously here to boost your own ego which is rather sad.
Each to their own I say. That's all I have to say on the matter.

Stop it, this is stupid.

If Ghaz wants to say it his way, then let him say it.
Thats like punching someone for speaking a certain accent.

Some people do need these decifering skills, or else theyll just keep asking.

Anyways...

Gets Hot applys to the shooter who rolled a 1. Oops Sorry Mate can be applied to anyone, even the shooter himself.
So yes both wounds can go on the shooter (just make sure to roll for the oops sorry mate first).

Oh please. Ghaz gave a perfectly clear answer, the poster just didn't understand at the time because he weren't thinking clearly. If he happened to think properly about the rules it would save him a lot of YMDC time. Ghaz's still here to help, and he did, even if you don't like how he did it.

Just drop it, the lot of ya. It ain't worth the trouble.

Sheesh

First of all, it's pitiful that you have nothing better to do than be a troll and complain about somebody's posts. Try acting like an adult and stay on topic instead of starting a flame war.

Secondly, where do you get this so-called 'forum requirement' that we give them the answer on a silver platter? I sure don't see it in any of the forum rules. So far the only person breaking any forum rules is you. If I want to ask the person a question to get them thinking, then it's entirely within my rights to do so. People can get a clear answer if they take a moment and think things through instead of just crying for help at the least little problem. Most of these posters are smart enough to figure out their questions on their own with just a little bit of leading in the right direction. It reminds me of the old saying "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime." Just giving them an answer doesn't do squat. When they learn to think things through, then they'll be able to answer the questions themselves. That's the whole pont of the 'How To Have An Intelligent Rules Discussion' thread stickied at the top of the forum.

Finally, unless your're a moderator then how somebody posts is none of your concern. End of discussion.