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hi guys and gals just wondering if this army list is any good or competitive .I'am using the PDF version from Forge World.

1500pts

HQ
commissar general: 95pts
powerfist
carapace armour


TROOPS
4 engineer squads: 135pts (each)
5 additional engineers
mole luncher
gas grenades

2 Hades breaching drills 100pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderer siege tank squadron: 420pts
3 thunderer tanks

Thunderer siege tank squadron: 180pts
2 thunderer tanks

ELITES
Heavy quad luncher battery: 150pts
3 thudd guns


So what do you guys think of it?

Try this PDF champ

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/d/dkksiegelist.pdf

New list got released

Thanx just read though, it looks good but sinse i might be filding this army at sum point i would like to know if this is a strong and competitive list.

your lacking anti tank at a distance, i would say, the quad guns wont do it especially against heavily armored vehichles , the thunderers are only 2 foot range, i would say drop the two thunderer squadron, run the other three separately ( now they can shoot at different targets instead of overkilling one target per turn, add a mechanist to your, and a lascannon or autocannon to the command squad, +1 penetrating against vehicles will go along way with the quad guns and the heavy weapon in the CS especially against lightly armoured ones like ork trukks and rhinos, the hades breaching drills are hit and miss when they show up, from my experience so far they tend to sometimes kill something when they pop up and they get blown away... After the mechanist and the heavy weapon you should still have plenty of points left for a flyer , ( if you dont have one or the cash to buy a flyer) maybe a wall and a quad gun, to get you that anti air that you kinda lack as well.
hope i helped!
Death korps Of Krieg rule!!

Post up a list from the new PDF and we can help you tweak it.

It looks like your trying to do a mechanised/armour list. In that case check out the assault brigade list in IA 12 too.

there are complete tank based lists if thats what your after with the amount of thunderers you have listed. The armoured battle group may be the way to go unless your really taken with the DKOK.

Looking at what the DKOK gain over other armies is the cheap high strength templates and lots of effective smaller ones. Its about putting as much indirect fire down on your opponent to either blow the crap out of them or deliver enough shellshock before you swarm over them with infantry and bayonets. You need to get Imperial Armour 12 to get the full appreciation on what they can do in 6th edition. They get lots of little extras and buffs since the Vraks campaign and some of the items like the Hades Breaching drill took a drop in how useful they are. Aesthetically they are the best looking army in 40k IMO, they are expensive to buy though. proxy as much as you can for playing and then when your certain get ready to part with some serious cash.

There are some serious krieg fanatics on dakka, id just ask away again and again. Ive had some awesome advice off the guys and if your going to take DKOK seriously then welcome to the brotherhood

He is right dkok are not cheap but I think its worth it, I dropped over 3000 bucks on my army and im still buying, but I, love them and wouldn't have, it any other way! Ia 12 is a new style, almost, grenadiers are troops And engineers are, elites, you may want to check that out, also you can use chimeras ( storm chimeras) like he said try it out first and if you do pick up dkok welcome!

Doomonyou i was originaly going for a engineer based army,i was using the tanks to kill most of the enermy tanks, then the thudd guns for anti infantry and the hades drill with engineers too finish it up.But since i've herd bad things about the drill and the engineers i might go for an infantry based army.

There are some serious krieg fanatics on dakka

Mind if i steal this?

Paladin the idea of an Engineer army does intrigue me.

Technically you could have 9 slots filled with engineers in the siege list.

It might look something like this:

HQ:

CCS, vox, carapace (so you could use engineer models) = 115

Elites:

Engineers (5), Hades drill = 110
Engineers (5), Hades drill = 110
Engineers (5), Hades drill = 110

Troops

Engineers (10), Vox, plasma gun, mole launcher = 125
Engineers (10), Vox, plasma gun, mole launcher = 125
Engineers (10), flamer, Heavy Flamer = 105
Engineers (10), flamer, Heavy Flamer = 105
Engineers (10), flamer, Heavy Flamer = 105
Engineers (10), flamer, Heavy Flamer = 105

Thats 1115 so far. Depending on how you want to use the hades drills you could expand their squads and give them special weapons.

Maybe swap some of the flamers to melta guns/Plasma guns and drop the heavy flamers, they are there for anti horde/overwatch.

Then add in a bit of Heavy artillery or armour and you would have a pretty effective list IMO

new list means new a new list here is one of them that i might field:
1500pts
HQ
Company Command Squad
upgrades:
carapace armour 10pts
vox caster 5pts
grenade luncher 5pts
autocannon 10pts
power fist 15pts

TROOPS
2 Infantry Platoon's:
platoon command squad - 88pts
upgrades:
power fist 15pts
carapace armour 3pts
platoon standard 10pts
vox caster 5pts
grenade luncher 5pts

2 infantry squads: 90pts (both 180pts)
upgrades:
power sword 10pts
vox caster 5pts
grenade luncher 5pts

heavy weapons team 105pts
upgrades:
3 lascannons 10pts each


HEAVY SUPPORT
3 imperial navy air support: 600pts (200pts each)
avenger with:
2 autocannons 30pts
2 hell fury missiles 20pts

next list will follow.


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doomonyou you are once again help full but where in the new PDF does it say that engineers can be elites? for me as a plane lover i think i wuld have to use the rest of the points on flyers.

doomonyou you are once again help full but where in the new PDF does it say that engineers can be elites?

Thanks
In the dedicated transport section of the engineers

*Note that if this is the case, the squad must be deployed in reserve with the Hades and enter play using its special deployment rules rather than being carried onboard. In addition, any Combat Engineer squad that takes a Hades as a Dedicated Transport becomes an Elites choice instead of a Troops choice.

Maybe rethink the grenade launchers, there are better options.

The points for the power fists on the CC and PC could be spent elsewere, same for the platoon standard. It only gives you a benifit in close combat after the assault has been resolved. In my experience its usually one of the casualties in the squad.

Is this list meant to hold a line and then let the flyers go kill everything?

If it is I would add:

Aegis defence line with Quad/Icarus
Astropath for +1 on reserve rolls to get those flyers when you need them.
a few artillery peices to hammer the enemy AA before it gets a chance to kill your flyers

Check your avenger costing. Its two additional mounts ( 1 each wing) so its either 2 autocannons OR 2 missiles (1 each wing) not both, that means you just got more points to spend on aircraft. YAY

Thanks doomon you,but now here comes the trikey bit is to decide which one to go with because they are not cheap

Thats where a bit of proxying comes in. Try before your buy.

if you love infantry you should look at the IA12 assault brigade rules because at 1500pts and above you get to respawn the infantry platoons as they get wiped out.

The DKOK have so many potential builds according to your preferences you can spend endless time drawing up lists and always find specific weaknesses.

Perhaps try starting trial lists at 1000 to get into the habit of economising unit upgrades like Power fists as they arent all that useful when facing melee specialists as they often get killed before they can fight back. I run CCS barebones with 2 x PGs for the reason being that its hard to make them punchy without spending lots of points that could be translated into another tank/heavy artillery piece. Lots of thudd guns sitting on a skyshield is a bitch as it gets 4++ save and 220 points of thudd gets you 16 3" templates dropped on the enemy every turn - they will fail saves !

Ive just invested in some deathriders on my last purchase - something to charge the remains once its been pulverised.

Do the boards have lots of terrain you play at? IA12 allows upgrades for heavy mortars to ignore cover saves and the colossus also does this but at AP3 so awesome for MEQ dug in.

dont expect to get a list your 100% happy with for a long time though - if you really love fliers look at the updates on the elysians and see how many you can squeeze in at 1500!

i play at my nearest GW so theres not alot of terrain unfortuntly.But great edvise badgermeister i think i might go for infantry with thudd guns so the IA12 better be ready for me.also just woundering if anybodey would like to see a build log of my DKK?If you do tell me and one last thing i'll be painting them in the 5th siege regiment scheme.

if you go balls deep on the infantry then you will need to do an assault brigade list and thus wont be a siege regt.

you could do this with the siege list but you wont get the respawn which is a massive difference. I'd choose a paint scheme based on what you like - trial a couple of schemes and bear in mind that you have to repeat it for what seems like an eternity.

Definitely blog it, good for C+C and motivation - i'd do the same if i was at home long enough between jobs to 'show off'.

Have a look at the lists that have been drawn up on Dakka - im relatively inexperienced at gaming so my lists are focused on having fun and not about winning everybody i play against.

thanx i might start on saturday.


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Thanx i might start on saturday.

So I think dkok deserve their own section in the forum lol
the way I do it for paying scheme, my guys are the 88th imperial guard siege army, 11th assualt korps, 101st Krieg siege regiment, and I use the 66th trank regiment, I feel it justifies using either army build, siege or assualt depending on my mission in a campaign or, scenario,
But of coarse I haven't read ia 12 completely yet and I haven't really started painting yet so this my change haha
Read over the fluff and Background and see what you like and what may work,
Like they said proxy before you buy it saves you lots of money

Yeah. Blog it. That would be great.

I would put some of my stuff up but i don't think my painting is....adequate. Though I do like kitbashing the models into different poses.

The main differences between the assault brigade and siege brigade is the use of artillery on carraiges vs vehicles, and the grenadier in elites/troops.

The the Assault brigade has a 6th ed warlord trait table (most of which don't do anything) and the new orders, which do have their advantages.

So I think dkok deserve their own section in the forum lol

Absolutely

Don't forget the carcass munitions and carcass shell!!!!

Carcass shells with a mechanist near by equals dead light vehicles...

Yeah Carcass shells can be pretty good. especially with bring it down. I am annoyed they took accurate bombardment off heavy mortars though, and the griffon keeps it!

The other thing the assault brigade gets is salamanders, the only unit with scout to show up in the krieg lists.

did you manage to go firm on a list in the end?

yes i would like to say that i'm going for a infantry based army