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Been speaking with a pal of mine about how effective the Nids would be vs a 3 BW list with KFF Mek + Warboss and maybe a dakkajet or 2, along with the obligatory big boyz squads.

In some ways I can see them chewing straight through the orcs, though overwatch from units that can put out as many shots as Orcs can? Could be nasty...

Thoughts?

The battlewagons are tough to deal with for us. However, 1 Flyrant, flying over the top of it, turning around and pumping 12 S6 shots into the back will blow it to bits.

Then, cast your enfeebles and go to work with your gants.

Gants win against orks when YOU get the charge on them especially against enfeebled orks. Don't let them get the charge on you.

A Zoanthrope's warp lance is virtually a garaunteed peneration and explosion, so pretty well.

Overall it's not too bad - it depends on how agressive your opponent is, what powers you roll, etc.

The opponent wouldn't be too aggressive, he's always played really cautiously, as though every casualty is a great personal loss lol

So it strikes me that if he stays in his wagons, he's pretty safe as there's just the flyrant & zoan that can damage them? If he disembarks though, different story?

Ork infantry vs Tyranid infantry is always going to be a mutual bloodbath, but I've yet to meet a vehicle that routinely survives three warp lance shots.

 kitch102 wrote:
The opponent wouldn't be too aggressive, he's always played really cautiously, as though every casualty is a great personal loss lol

So it strikes me that if he stays in his wagons, he's pretty safe as there's just the flyrant & zoan that can damage them? If he disembarks though, different story?

He needs to embrace the orkish ways. These Orks were made for dying, That's just what they do, and one of these days these orks are going to walk all over you
cautious is not in the orkish language

Battle wagons are death traps for orks now, if it explodes it will wounds 10 boys, 2-4 make saves, and he's now out a battle wagon and 6-8 boys. And anything that shot at the wagon can now assault those boys.

Hive guard and FMC's usually make short work of battle wagons. Plus even your spawned guys can glance one to death when they charge it.
anyone with a gun can take down a dakka jet, it's an expensive flying trukk and your hive guard will ignore the jinx saves.

Just beware the power klaws and challenge any chance you get in CC, you can either kill the nob with the PK (or sit him out) and the boys have almost no chance of hurting your MC's after that.

I've run battlewagons vs nids, It works. flyrants? can't get behind me, my back's to the wall, pumping out 15 lootas and 40 shootas worth of dakka. i would really love to get my army up to 4 wagons, with 'come at me bro' across the front of 'em, 2 units of lootas and 2 shootas inside, with a KFF to cover, sometimes even an aegis. the fast nids die first, the slow nids die later. RPJ is always crucial to getting objective grabs, 'cos if you ain't got it, you'll wish you did.

orks can, and will, shoot. don't be running gaunts up expecting us to get out and play fisticuffs

Um, if your back is against the board edge you're going to lose.

I played a Nids vs BWs game. It did not go well for my opponent. In the end he had 10 Boyz and 2 undamaged BWs. I had almost my entire army (minus a couple of spawned Gant units).

The only time I've played against a BW rush list was a custom mission (heavies are scoring, most scoring units in opponents deployment zone was the primary, kill points was the secondary) on the football field deployment.

I essentially had no chance to win this mission - despite me having 3 Carnifexes (because I needed those to stop his 3 BWs...)

Since that game only took us 15 minutes (I conceeded bottom of 4 with only a Tervigon left on the field and him missing 2 trucks and a boyz unit) we played a "fun" game and I tabled him in 4 turns.

Smash attacks from MCs deal with armor pretty efficiently in my experience.

Nids pretty much chew through orks atm. There really is no contest. There are simply too many MC's to deal with the armor effectivley. They also can bring warp lances as stated earlier. Anything, and i mean anything, that has shot at that wagon before it blew can assault the guys inside. Pretty much dead orks inside and out.