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what do you guys think of this list?


290 1x BloodThirster / 2x Major Rewards
150 15x Bloodletters
165 1x Soulgrinder / Phlegm Bombardment

265 DeamonPrince / Tzeetch / Wings / Power Armor / Black Mace
90 20x Cultist
195 10x Chaos Space Marines / Boltpistol & HW / 2x Melta - Rhino
145 5x Raptor / Nurgle / 2x Melta / 1x Power Sword
145 5x Raptor / Nurgle / 2x Melta / 1x Power Sword
170 1x HellDrake
130 1x Vindicator / Siege Shield
130 1x Vindicator / Siege Shield
125 1x Maulerfiend

total 2000pts

So the Cultist stay in reserve to survive a bit longer and to be a little blob that should aim for late game objective holding, the rest of the army should be quite fast and deadly.
Raptor teams deepstrike and meltas something, if one or two of them suvives the shooting that might be aimed at them, (making them nurgle to hopefully survive if they get shot at by anti infantry stuff) then they should still be able to do some damage by charging due to the power sword im adding to the aspiring champion.
The bloodletters are deepstriking too,
So with 2 FMC, a heldrakes and a Soulgrinder, flyers arent concerning me.
I also have 3 large blast with high strength and low AP to severely threaten him.
I think the Soulgrinder really does alot in this list since he is very tough with a 5++, 4 HP and 13 AV and threatens everything, from flyers with his arm gun, infantry from afar with his Str8 ap3 large blast with 36" range and big beast/vehicules in close quarters, him having AV13 is particularly great in cc since even tactical marines with their krak grenades only get str6 which isnt enough to dent him, only dedicated anti-vehicule have any chance of harming him. he is a great swiss army knife.

The Vindicators have siege shield to hug cover without worry of dangerous terrain test and to be a royal target to keep all my other goodies alive.

The Bloodthirster and Deamon prince are gonna go hunting prime targets and should be scary enough to make even vindicators seem less threatening

The Maulerfiend is there since I love the dinobots, I know people dont like him too much but I think he's better than people give credit to him. given its reputation and how many high priority tragets there are in this list I think he should survive long enough to get to close combat.

a Helldrake to add to the list of high priority target.

and 10 Space marines in a can with meltaguns to have more troops and since they can get in the thick of it without to much worry and with decent damage dealing with their 3 attack on the charge plus bolt pistol shot.

By the way, if you want to be competitive you should replace the Bloodthirster with the Lord of Change with the staff from the lesser rewards. The LoC is supperior to the Bloodthirster in CC and the LoC is a psyker with access to divination(the best discipline)

Also, if you want to make this list better you should replace the raptors with nurgle bikers. Better in every single way.

Maulerfiends aren't really that good, take obliterators or havocs with autocannons instead.

you seem pretty biassed mr Grimgunman, raptors do something that the bikes cannot, thats deepstrike right where they need to be and melta the crap out of a landraider/monoith/doomsdayArk/soulgrinder or whatever else is a big threat. bikes would need to reach it and that is alot harder, they are also more expensive so you get less, also I like the raptor models more and moneywise they are cheaper. they would be good though but for the reason I just mentionned I think i would stick with raptors.

Havocs really dont have a place in this list since they would be sitting duck with no backup as all the army is moving forward really fast, obliterators could work well in this list but would end up being more expensive point-wise than a maulerfiend and I dont really know where I could get those points and also I just really want a dinobot in my list and I dont like the stats of the forgefiend so maulerfiend it is.
im not necesarely trying to go super competive cuz if i wanted that I would put 2-3 heldrakes

The only thing im on the fence about are the cultists. Everything moves very quickly or deepstrikes which i really like. I would def consider oblits instead of vindis. But this decreases armour saturation so i see why you didnt want to use them. I know you like maulers but i would def consider running oblits intead.

and how the hell is the lord of change stronger in close combat than a Bloodthirster?

The Lord of change has the same Str, Toughness, Wounds, and Attacks as the Bloordthirster, except he is a level 3 psyker who can roll 3 powers on divination and become very killy/survivable (especially with precognition). And he also can give buffs to other units at well, which can make another daemon prince or scary combat unit very effective. With a staff of change he gets STR 8 and explodes characters in combot, and instadeaths MEQ. With 2 Greater Rewards he also has chance to roll a 6 and get a 3+ armor save, making him more survivable than the bloodthirster with divination buffs and rerolling 1's.

Just as he said, so you would only want the Bloodthirster of the LoC if you are going for a themed list.

There are a few things the 'thirster is better at than the LoC:
The Bloodthirster is WS10, the LoC WS6. Marines need 5's to hit the 'thirster.
The Bloodthirster had 6A, the LoC has 5A.
The 'thirster is I8, the Loc I6. This means that the 'thirster will kill Harlequins and GK with Halberds (for example) before they can strike.

Ediit: but, on the whole, I'd pick the Loc, because Psychic powers are awesome. And also, against power weapons, the LoC has a better save! (5++ re-roll 1's, or 4++ if you get Forewarning)

ok so what your saying is that the Lord of Change is close to being as strong as the Bloodthirster in melee but also has the advantage of being a psycher right?

you scared me there, I thought there was a something I didnt notice that made the LOC actually better than the Thirster in MELEE.

some of what was said earlier isnt quite true though, Bloodthirster has furious charge so should be able to hit harder than the LOC, also has an extra attack and his Ini is 9 not 8.

He still has a higher STR and makes people explode in CC. The initiative and WS won't matter offensively against 95% of units. That with the Divination power of re-rolling hits in CC makes him BETTER than the thirster in Melee, maybe even without the psychic powers.

maybe not offensivelty but defensively the higher ws is quite usefull,

and how does the LOC have higher str? its the Thirster that has furious charge.

WEll LoC with mace is S8 and that what he was reffering to. Thrister i mor of a MC/Heroes killer with his instagib axe.

The LoC is STR 8 with the Staff of Change from the lesser rewards, plus the staff makes characters blow up.

The blowing up effect is really nice because normally when you charge say a 10 man space marine squad, you can kill the sargent, then we he explodes at str 5 you can get 1-3 more sometimes and win combat res and overrun them pretty easily. Otherwise you might get caught up in a challenge, kill 1 guy, then they pass leadership and you have to sit there for a turn.

ya, I can see the appeal of the LOC now, but I dont own the model and already have a converted and awesome looking bloodthirster.

he's still pretty good tho right?
seems good on paper

Yeah, he is still pretty good.

Your Soul Grinder is required to take an alignment.

BT is better at killing MCs because he has a chance at instant death.

For everything else, they either do the same, or the LoC is actually more killy, which is kinda dumb fluff wise but what can you do?

Soulgrinders alignent is Khorne, cuz its free... and my other demons are also khorne



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ok actually looking at the nurgle alignment for the Soulgrinder now, its a little expensive but defensive grenade and shrouded is nice. maybe take out 5 cultist to get it and a bloodletter champion would be a good idea