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Gorten Grundback [+7]
Grundback Blaster [3]
Gordon Basher [7]
Sylys [2]
10 Horgenhold Forgeguard [8]
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [5]
Thor Steinhammer [2]
Piper of Ord [2]
Gorman di Wulfe [2]
eEiryss [3]
10 Kayazy Assassins [8] UA [2]

Fun of dwarf list with lots of cool Merc goodies thrown in.

The win condition is the assassination run; Eiryss strips focus, Gorten pops feat, shoots the caster, then Basher with Strength of Granite grand slams for the win. List is 5-0 so far, but I'm always up for input.

I would try and fit in another basher to be controlled by thor. His jack marshaling ability is too valuable to waste and pocket bashers is pretty nasty. I ran a list like this, except at 25pts. Two bashers successfully bowled over two quads of infantry on assassination turn. The big weakness is gorten's craptastic ctrl area, makes it hard to safely get the feat off.

KingKodo wrote:
I would try and fit in another basher to be controlled by thor. His jack marshaling ability is too valuable to waste and pocket bashers is pretty nasty. I ran a list like this, except at 25pts. Two bashers successfully bowled over two quads of infantry on assassination turn. The big weakness is gorten's craptastic ctrl area, makes it hard to safely get the feat off.

Yeah I've found that out a few times :/

Maybe drop the Risen and Gorman? And do you think marshaling the second Basher is better? Or giving the Blaster to Thor and then giving a second to Gorten so they can both spend focus?

With Gorten's Strength of Granite spell and Thor's Tune Up ability you should really look into a Driller.

With those 2 stacked on a Driller and 3 Focus, there's not much short of a Colossal that can stand up to it.

 Kentucky-Irregulars wrote:
Gorten Grundback [+7]
Grundback Blaster [3]
Gordon Basher [7]
Sylys [2]
10 Horgenhold Forgeguard [8]
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [5]
Thor Steinhammer [2]
Piper of Ord [2]
Gorman di Wulfe [2]
eEiryss [3]
10 Kayazy Assassins [8] UA [2]

Unless I'm missing something, this isn't a legal mercenary list: Forge Guard will only work for Highborn, and Kayazy will only work for 4*.

Chozo wrote:

 Kentucky-Irregulars wrote:
Gorten Grundback [+7]
Grundback Blaster [3]
Gordon Basher [7]
Sylys [2]
10 Horgenhold Forgeguard [8]
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [5]
Thor Steinhammer [2]
Piper of Ord [2]
Gorman di Wulfe [2]
eEiryss [3]
10 Kayazy Assassins [8] UA [2]

Unless I'm missing something, this isn't a legal mercenary list: Forge Guard will only work for Highborn, and Kayazy will only work for 4*.

Forgeguard work for a couple, but not 4* which is the only one Kayazy Assassins can work for.

From what I've seen, the Driller is a huge focus drain. I guess if he's only running the one jack, no one cares... But honestly the reason I love the Basher so much is for the knock down. That way, in a pinch, other models can charge and hit automatically. Like the HHFG.

Haha it's not Steamroller legal, no. Hence why I said 'fun-of' list early on. Just a list for friends who don't care. But thanks for noticing

Well no, the army lists aren't "steamroller legal" they're army lists?

I might aswell use the Avatar in a Cygnar list.

tigerstyle wrote:
Well no, the army lists aren't "steamroller legal" they're army lists?

I might aswell use the Avatar in a Cygnar list.

Yeah I was going to say. This isn't like Infinity where the Merc list isn't ITS legal, but it is ok for friendly play, this is just flat out taking mercs where they can't be taken. Why not let me take Kayazy with my Cygnar, or Croe's Cutthroats, or the Commodore Cannon. Because that isn't how the game is designed.

Well, I was originally going to put eCaine and the Harbinger in this list along with Beast09, but that seemed rather OP...

 Kentucky-Irregulars wrote:
Well, I was originally going to put eCaine and the Harbinger in this list along with Beast09, but that seemed rather OP...

It's fine, you've been made out to look wrong and power play among a group of people you "strong arm" in to taking lists they may not feel comfortable too to get your "winning streaks".

Never mind little guy, maybe another time.

tigerstyle wrote:
It's fine, you've been made out to look wrong and power play among a group of people you "strong arm" in to taking lists they may not feel comfortable too to get your "winning streaks".

Never mind little guy, maybe another time.

I laugh hysterically every time I get to read one of your posts. I am so happy that you are on here, and willing to have a sense of humor, it really brightens my day. Some people are too serious, or take a GAME too serious, and it really takes the fun out of it. You are honestly like a breath of fresh air!

 Kentucky-Irregulars wrote:

tigerstyle wrote:
It's fine, you've been made out to look wrong and power play among a group of people you "strong arm" in to taking lists they may not feel comfortable too to get your "winning streaks".

Never mind little guy, maybe another time.

I laugh hysterically every time I get to read one of your posts. I am so happy that you are on here, and willing to have a sense of humor, it really brightens my day. Some people are too serious, or take a GAME too serious, and it really takes the fun out of it. You are honestly like a breath of fresh air!

Are you insinuating I take the game too seriously? You're the guy touting insane winning streaks and wont take things on board fella.

Me, I'm easy going.

He's basically a cliche at this point. I'm half expecting him to break out the "it's all a social experiment" card at some point.

Wow.

Well I feel like we've gotten a little off track here, so what follows are TWO lists based on the input everyone has been gracious enough to contribute


(Highborn)
Gorten Grundback +7
Basher -7
Basher -7

Sylys -2

10 Forgeguard -8
10 Long Gunners and UA -12

Thor Steinhammer -2
Harlan Versh -2
Piper of Ord -2

(4 Star)

Gorten Grundback +7
Basher -7
Driller -6
Blaster -3

Sylys -2

10 Kayazys and UA -10
Alexia and the Risen -5

Thor Steinhammer -2
Piper of Ord -2
eEiryss -3
Gorman di Wulfe -2

Which list do you like better?

I apparently missed the battle here earlier. Oh well....

I can't say much for the 4 Star list (not much experience with Kayazy or Alexia), but the Highborn looks pretty solid. I would likely go for ATGM instead of Long Gunners, but I think that's more of a personal preference on my part. I'm definitely in agreement with the choice of two bashers though. Those things are awesome.

Alexia just serves the role of making them kill every living model twice, so to speak. More of a morale thing, I guess.

Any reason you prefer the ATGM over Long Gunners or perhaps maybe over a second unit of HHFG?

Also, I considered doing the Basher/Driller combo for the Highborn list. Any reasons two Bashers would be better off hand? (Even though I love that jack too)

You will get better use out of marshalling a basher to thor. Bashers slam for free so he does not spend his jack marshal point to pay for the slam, that frees him up to buy an attack after the slam+followup move. It also gives you the ability to bowl a heavy beast/warjack over their warcaster and knock it down, then buy an attack against said warcaster which will likely drop them if you tuned up damage. I almost always run pocket bashers - one on thor, one on gorten. Gorten cant run multiple jacks at all - his upkeeps are too valuable. In addition - thor's drive pronto makes bashers so much more dangerous, you can line up the most effective slamming paths on enemy heavies and maximize their effectiveness.

Keep gorman di wolfe! Using the bashers to slam a heavy into another heavy or other high point/critical model then toss a blind grenade on them and guarantee blinding two targets. Its such a game altering combo - not much can come back from that. Besides, hes 2 points for the nastiest debuff in the game.

I prefer the ATGMs for a couple reasons: 1: they are just as effective at range as the long gunners for clearing infantry. 2: they are much more difficult to hit which is a good contrast to a rhulic heavy list's low DEF scores. 3: Gorten makes them immune to blasts and KD which are their weaknesses. 4: They can push models around which lets you line up charges/slams for your bashers and forgeguard.

With ATGMs and the two bashers, your list will have crazy movement shennanigans. Gorten's rockwall can be used to slow down enemy models and his feat moves enemies alot. Bashers slam things across the map. ATGMs push models around to clear charge lanes. Thor pronto's his basher into perfect slam lanes.

I usually play 25pt games but, from your initial list, I would replace the kayazy with ATGMs. Drop Alexia and the risen, and the blaster, and add a driller or basher to the list. If you go driller, run it under gorten, if the basher, put one of them under thor. This should leave you with a point or two. I dont recall how much the ATGMs are but if you have extra points then their UA is supposed to be good, or Harlan Versh for some more ranged support and ability to deal with upkeep heavy lists. I have used Harlan a few times and he can be absolutely lethal against some lists. Against others, he is usually just good enough to earn a little bit more than his points worth. That quad iron is dangerous against infantry.

That was a lot of amazing feedback and opened my eyes to ideas I had never before considered, so thank you so much!

Based on the input, here is what I want to try for a while:

(Highborn)
Gorten Grundback +7
Driller -6

Sylys -2

10 Forgeguard -8
ATGM and UA -8

Thor Steinhammer -2
Basher -7

Harlan Versh -2
Piper of Ord -2
Gorman di Wulfe -2
eEiryss -3

I do not know anything about your local meta, but that type of list has served me pretty well thus far. I have taken it against Ret, Menoth, and Skorne and it has done well. You may need to change some things here or there to fit how you like it. If you need more melee punch, the Ogrun Bokur is a good, cheap addition. They have extremely high MAT and massive damage output for a solo infantry unit. Good armor and plenty of health too. If you need to assassinate a warcaster with gorten, then you can get him within 6" of the target, double boost a handcannon shot (POW16 from his double barrel) and then charge with the bokur. He will be at MAT10 POW 17 with his polearm I believe. It has usually been enough to put down most normal warcasters.

Something else I have done with a similar list: Line up your forgeguard in rows of two with the ATGMs behind them. Then, place a rockwall about .5" in front of the forgeguard. The rockwall is an obstacle (or obstruction?) and models cannot end movement on top of it so non-reach models are forced to go around the wall to engage which usually results in only the outter edges of your guard being attacked. Even if they have reach - I am pretty sure you get a DEF bonus when being attacked over a wall. On your turn, activate gorten first and drop the wall, then their units are sitting ducks for your forgeguard and ATGMs.

Its too bad you cant fit a gunner in there since the ATGMs in a highborn list count as mercs, they can marshal the gunner and give it rune shots. I havent tried it, but I hear it can be very effective.

Rhulic Warjacks can only be controlled by a Rhulic warcaster or jack marshal