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Okay, have an 1850pt tourney in 2 weeks and want to either play my marines as either Black Templar,Imperial Fists, or Iron Hands. I don't know what to do for an HQ though. Any suggestions?

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Black Templars

HQ

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 210
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 210

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Skyhammer ML - 125
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Centurions w/Gravs, Grav-Amps, Omni-scope - 260

Ultramarine Allies

HQ
Tigurius - 165

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 210

ADL w/Quad - 100

I would take a wound tank for the Centurions. Libby with terminator armour and storm shield is 100 points 125 if you go lvl2 biomancy would be my preference. Or you could spring for the Internal Shield though that becomes more worth it with a 3 wound character. Personally I prefer the Cents in 4s, 20 shots kills whatever you shoot it at.

Why all the plasmagun + lascannon tac Marines? The cannon is no longer cheaper on them than devs and bolters don't make a great gun line.

Also why BTs as the chapter tactics? You're not really taking advantage of any of their rules. Just flat UMs would be better particularly as you are spamming so many tac marines. Or Iron hands to keep your stuff alive.

You also seem very light on AA with just 1 quad gun and 1 paper plane to deal with Helldrakes.

I was considering Black Templar because that's how they are all painted, and thought maybe it would be worth giving it a try. And for the 5+ DtW rolls. But I agree that the BT tactics are not the best, especially for the list that I am running.

And I was thinking about trulying to get a Terminator Chaplain or Libby to go with the Cents. But I was also planning on using Tigurius to buff them with Divination/Biomancy/GoI. But maybe have two Libbys with them to really buff them?

As for the Lascannon and Plasma in all the tacs, that is just how they are built from the last codex. What would you suggest? I also face a lot of TMC so they tend to help. But with the Cents, it might be redundant now. Maybe just ML/FL and keep them cheap?

As for AA, I don't face a lot of Fliers in my meta and there is usually only ever 1 Helldrake in an army. Most of the fliers I deal with are FMC.

I like the BT part of the codex but for me it is for combat (I actually think you can do a good combat BT lust but you have to go LR heavy to get across the board against Tau). But for gunline UMs, IFs or IH are the way to go.

These days I'd gear the Tacs for mid ranged shooting. Flamers, melt as and plasma are all good. Matched combi for me is a necessity as you basically only fire special weapons for one critical turn and then the combi doubles your combat effectiveness. Multimelta or ML are probably the best weapon options. PC + plasma gun and combi-grav would be my choice for gunline. Leave lascannons for units that can do long ranged AT well (preds, devs etc).

I'd run them as Ih add some more tanks remove the allies and run either stalker/pred I like bike squads run as IH that means your AB can tank and repair himself

The UM allies are a non-dropable element. I will have just finished painting them as Howling Griffons and really want to use them. Lol

But I reworked the Tacs to free up a few more point. Still debating on what the Iron Hands HQ should be though.

And what about getting Veteran SGTs for the Tacs?

1670

IRON HANDS

HQ

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/MM, MG, Rhino - 195
Tactical Squad w/MM, MG, Rhino - 195

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Skyhammer ML - 125
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Centurions w/Gravs, Grav-Amps, Omni-scope - 260

Ultramarine Allies

HQ
Tigurius - 165

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 210

ADL w/Quad - 100


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And for the HQ would a tooled up Chapter Master with TA, TH, and the Shield Eternal, or a Libby with lvl 2, TA, and SS be better to go with Tigurius and the Cents?

I like bike squads run as IH that means your AB can tank and repair himself

How exactly?

As for the new list. I like it I think Libby would be best. Putting a CM there would encourage you to chuck them (or at least him) into combat.

That would also leave you enough points to take a forth Centurion

Ok, so I think this might be it. I don't know if I would need another Cent as Tigurius will be with them and give them Prescience, and 15 shots with re-rolles to hit and to wound should be able to kill whatever I need it to.

Should I drop the Razorback to a regular Rhino and get some combis or PW for the IH Tactical?

1845

IRON HANDS

HQ
Librarian, LvL 2, Terminator Armor, SS - 115

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/VSGT, MM, MG, Rhino - 205
Tactical Squad w/VSGT, MM, MG, Rhino - 205

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Skyhammer ML - 125
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
3 Centurions w/Gravs, Grav-Amps, Omni-scope - 260

Ultramarine Allies

HQ
Tigurius - 165

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/VSGT, LC, PG, Razorback w/Lascannon - 245

Is this one better? Went pure UM

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HQ
Librarian, LvL 2, Terminator Armor, SS - 115
Tigurus - 165

ELITES
Terminators w/TH-SS - 225

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/VSGT, MM, MG, Rhino - 205
Tactical Squad w/VSGT, MM, MG, Rhino - 205

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Skyhammer ML - 125
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110
2 MM Attack Bikes - 110

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
3 Centurions w/Gravs, Grav-Amps, Omni-scope - 260