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Ok, this is my first time really posting on a forum, but a friend of mine told me I should do it to get the communities aid in this. I play generic space marines, going for the Salamander/Imperial Fist set up for this local Tourney I'm playing in. This Tourney allows Forge World models, but i don't have a lot to work with at the end of the day. Pretty much what I post is what I can either Field or Proxy. We play all the way up to 1750, with Apocalypse afterwards. At the moment we are running at 1250. I'm just looking for some helpful advice.

Current Plan for upcoming 1250 game

Vulkan He'stan 190

Librarian 110
Epistolary
Primarchs Wrath

Tactical Squads x2 400
Veteran x2
Power Weapon x2
Storm Bolter x2
Melta Gun x2
Multi-Melta x2
Melta Bombs x2

Sternguard 355
Combi-Weapons x10
Powerfist

StormTalon 195
Ace Pilot
Typhoon Missles


For the Founding Father!

I have very limited knowledge of the new Marine codex but I'll give it a crack.

BansonFal wrote:
Ok, this is my first time really posting on a forum, but a friend of mine told me I should do it to get the communities aid in this. I play generic space marines, going for the Salamander/Imperial Fist set up for this local Tourney I'm playing in. This Tourney allows Forge World models, but i don't have a lot to work with at the end of the day. Pretty much what I post is what I can either Field or Proxy. We play all the way up to 1750, with Apocalypse afterwards. At the moment we are running at 1250. I'm just looking for some helpful advice.

Current Plan for upcoming 1250 game

Vulkan He'stan 190

Librarian 110
Epistolary
Primarchs Wrath

What unit do you plan on attaching your ICs to?

Tactical Squads x2 400
Veteran x2
Power Weapon x2
Storm Bolter x2
Melta Gun x2
Multi-Melta x2
Melta Bombs x2

Unless you plan on assaulting an land raider the Melta bombs are a waste of points.

Sternguard 355
Combi-Weapons x10
Powerfist

Is a PF needed in a dedicated shooting unit? I would think those point could be better spend.

StormTalon 195
Ace Pilot
Typhoon Missles

Jets are always good! Not sure about the load out, are you using it for anti-air or ground targets?

For the Founding Father!

If anything I would say your list could use some drop pods.
This will give you a few things to think about till some of the more knowledgeable SM players jump in.

Vulkan He'stan 190

Not sure Vulkan is worth it at 1250pts, you have 300pts in HQ, that is quite a lot.

Librarian 110
Epistolary
Primarchs Wrath

Librarians are always nice.

Tactical Squads x2 400
Veteran x2
Power Weapon x2
Storm Bolter x2
Melta Gun x2
Multi-Melta x2
Melta Bombs x2

Veteran upgrade is a waste of pts. Stormbolters are bad, especially when you have loaded up with power weapons, as you loose an attack, and you even have to pay for the privledge Meltabombs are not needed. Again, transport would be very nice, salamanders like drop pods. Power weapons are probably not the best use of pts, but not terrible either.

Sternguard 355
Combi-Weapons x10
Powerfist

Without a transport, these guys are just going to die like the 35,5! pt marines they are. Sternguard aren`t really that great anymore, but to be at least decent, they need a pod. You don`t need combis on everyone

StormTalon 195
Ace Pilot
Typhoon Missles

195pts? For a stormtalon? Not sure what an ace pilot does, but I am pretty damn sure that no stormtalon is ever worth 195pts. Stormtalons are best kept cheap, skyhammer missiles and assault cannon is probably best loadout, cheap, flexible and good firepower. Your loadout is only 5pts from a stormraven, which is way more survivable, has much more firepower, ability to take on multiple targets and has a transport capacity...

By removing all unnecessary upgrades, you should have pts for drop pods for your units, and you would have a nice start to a drop pod sallie list.

Here's what I have to offer. Sorry but it is not a strong a build at all and I don't really understand any of it. From the top:

Vulkan was nerfed by 6th ed (relic blade is a poor weapon now), so taking him is only worth it if you are maximising his melta rule which you simply won't at 1250.

Libby is a good HQ choice by why the Primarchs Wrath? It is Salvo with a 24" range so needs to be on a relentless body. I would drop it or get him Terminator armour or a bike. Generally the Wrath is better on a Captain or CM with Bs5.

Tactical squads don't need the CC upgrades if they're in assault something has gone wrong anyway. Also a storm bolter is a poor weapon for the Sarge a combined is an auto-include always matched to the squads special weapon. How are you planning on getting into melta range? I would get the tac squads transports (or longer ranged weapons but that's not really the Salamanders way).

Sternguard have a similar issue. No need for a fist and no way to get into effective range. Also in the current book 2-3 combis per 5 men is the best load out all combis is just too expensive now.

Storm talon has TWO HULL POINTS it is not and never will be worth 195 points. Skyhammers are the only weapon they should have it is too good not to take at only 125 points. If you have 195 points to spend on a flyer find 5 more and get a Storm Raven, a real power house of the skies.

I agree with most of what these guys said dropping the extra power weapons is smart and if you don't have the $ for more models you can see if the people running the tournament will let you use home made drop pods. Patterns can still be found on the web.

I have read through the comments, and i have noticed a trend. Transport. I thank you all for posting me these comments. Now I lack the actual transports, however I can get my hands on a few from a friend or two. I will take to my list and return with a new modified list. However, I will not switch out Vulkan, as i have a special liking towards him. And as for the Librarian, I intend to keep him as well, again due to personal preference.


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HQ
Vulkan He'stan
Librarian
Epistolary
The Shield Eternal
Digital Weapons
Auspex

Troops
Tactical Squad x2
Veteran x2
Multi-Melta x2
Flamer x2

Elites
Legion of the Damned *Full*
Assault Terminator Squad (5 man)
Hammer and Shield x5

Dedicated Transports
Rhino x2
Extra Armor x2

Ok, this is 1250 by my calculation. Could this work better?


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Attach HQs to Terminators, deep strike in with legion, flank with rhinos. Think that would work?

What's the dealio with the "Ace Pilot" upgrade you've listed with the Storm Talon? It's not in the Codex entry in the new book.. I'm surprised you aren't still keeping the ST in the list, but give it Skyhammers, they are great, and it will only cost you 125 pts

I've been playing Salamanders for some time.

Your list doesn't seem to have any transports for your troops, which I recommend. (Pods are my favorite, rhinos also work.)

You seem to have a whole lot of points in your HQ department, which can be risky.

I think that combi-weapons in the sternguard give you great returns for your money, as do the melta-bombs and veteran upgrades in the tac squad you may have been told to forego. I even go combi-weapon on my sergeants.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I have been running Salamanders since I started playing marines, and have multiple competitive wins under my belt. I will be happy to answer any questions you have if you want to PM me about specifics.

Alright, after more feed back, I have wrote up a new list, one that I think has potential. Here it goes.

Vulkan He'stan

Librarian
Epistolary
Terminator
Shield Eternal

Terminator Assault
Hammer and Shield

Land Raider Crusader
Multi-Melta
Extra Armor

Tactical Squads x2
Veteran x2
Power Weapon x2
Combi-Melta x2
Multi-Melta x2
Melta Gun x2
Melta Bombs x2

Comes up to a nice 1250. Attach the Librarian to the Terminator squad and pop them into the Land raider, rolling them up the field to assault the enemy position, while holding objectives with the 2 Tacticals and Vulkan. Fairly simple strategy, with a Sword and a Shield to it. Also, does any one know the best terrain to fight Vindicators in? 'Cause I'm fair certain my opponent is going to be rocking a pair of them. Also....might switch the Crusader out for the Redeemer and thrown Digital Weapons onto the Librarian. Some feedback would be nice, and as soon as possible, given that our match is tomorrow *10/3/13* at 4:00 pm Eastern Time.

It is far from a tournament quality list, but for a game against a friend, it is probably fine.

I would go for the redeemer, you still have space for both IC`s and the termies, and unless you are dark angels or you are going to use the extended transport cap, the crusader is kind of pointless IMO.

Yeah, the tournament I'm in is completely local, with our community playing in it. Heh, half the community was brought into the 40k fold by me. Thanks for the advice. Redeemer it is.

So the results of the Tournament today was losses all around, but at the same time, they were good losses. The first game I played ended on Turn Six, where me and my opponent were neck and neck on points, with him taking the lead at the very end. My second game ended on Turn Three, but my opponent had some amazing luck, ghosting my Land Raider on Turn One. Already I am thinking of Lists to run for our Escalation to 1500 points. Already planning on Rhino or Drop Pod assault. Might take a Bastion and Scouts for some fun, and to add another AV 14 to the list.