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Hey guys before I starting buying, I need your opinion what would be a good 1500/2000 purely scout army.

I wanna use just scouts/scout bikes, landspeeder storms, a srgt telion.

And what would be the best HQ/ chapter tactics to use?

I think Raven Guard would be your best bet, as far as Chapter Tactics go. It would also be a little fluffy!

The HQ choice is all preference, really. I would probably take a Captain or Chapter Master on a Bike with a TH, the unique SS, and Artificer Armor. He can lead a squad of Scout Bikers.

The Troops section is where it gets a little tricky. You can maximize your mobility by taking 6 5-man squads in Land Speeder Storms, you can take 6 static squads with Sniper Rifles and Camo-Cloaks, or you could even take 6 squads with Shotguns or BP/CCWs and infiltrate them up. I would take a variety of these options.

Something like:

Chapter Master
-Thunder Hammer, The Shield Eternal, Artificer Armor

He joins the Scout Bikers, giving them additional resilience and CC punch.

4x 10 Scouts
-4 BP/CCWs, Veteran Sergeant w/ Combi-Melta & Power Fist, 4 w/ Sniper Rifles, 1 Missile Launcher
4x Land Speeder Storm w/ Multi-Melta

These units each combat squad into two 5-man groups: one half containing the Sergeant and 4 BP/CCW scouts riding in the Storm, and the other half containing 4 Snipers and 1 Missile Launcher camping in the back field.

8-10 Scout Bikers (whatever the max squad size is nowadays)
-Veteran Sergeant w/ Combi-Melta & Power Fist, 2 Astares Grenade Launchers

This unit is the "hammer" of your force (the term is used very lightly), and can engage most non-dedicated CC units in the game. The shooting is a neat bonus, and can soften up most troop units prior to assault.

This should be right around 1,500. As you don't have any anti-air, I would add 2 Storm Talons with Skyhammer Missiles to use up your remaining Fast Attack choices. I would then take 2-3 Hunters, Stalkers, or AC/HB Predators to use up your Heavy Support choices. Whirlwinds may even have a place in this list.

Mobility is key with a list like this. Don't be too aggressive with your Storm units until good assault targets present themselves.

Is this list competitive? No, not really. But it would be a hell of a lot of fun to play and will give a few tournament lists a hard time.

Hey thanks for the reply, are you thinking 1 bike unit or more then 1. Also would storm talons be fulffy?

the List he mentioned sure is scouty but you might want more heavy weapon punch

also raven guard chapter tactics would be really fluffy, it is redundant for a scout army as most of your units already have scout and you not using jump packs.
you best choices for chapter tactics would be:
ultramarines: allows you to uttilize sgt. telion and tigurius gives you assuallty or boltery turns once per game
imperial fists: take a lot of scouts with bolters, reroll 1's ( if you get supplement your bolters become twin linked under 12" i believe)
ironhands: gives your scouts a tad more survivability with the 6+ fnp and makes you chapter master unkillable if geared right
salamanders: give all your LSS a havy flamer, give the sgt inside a combi flamer, then burn burn burn

I would propose adding a thunderfire to the above things, so much utility for 100 points, also techmarine bolster ruins and then add scout snipers with either telion or cloaks for 2+ cover save profit

@treavous what would a 1500 list look for you in ironhands? I like the sound of an unkillable chapter master on a bike.

+++ 1500 iron hands (1497pts) +++ +++ 1500pt Space Marines w/ Black Templar 6th Ed (2013) (FW) Roster (Primary Detachment)) +++ Selections: Space Marines w/ Black Templar 6th Ed (2013) (FW) (Primary Detachment) Selections: + (No Category) + * Chapter Tactics Iron Hands + HQ + (235pts) * Chapter Master (235pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Independent Character, Orbital Bombardment) Artificer Armor, Bike, Power Weapon, The Shield Eternal + Troops + (492pts) * Scout Squad (110pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Scout) * Land Speeder Storm (Deep Strike, Scouts) Cerberus Launcher, Heavy Flamer, Jamming Beacon * Scout Sergeant Veteran Sergeant * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scout Squad (110pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Scout) * Land Speeder Storm (Deep Strike, Scouts) Cerberus Launcher, Heavy Flamer, Jamming Beacon * Scout Sergeant Veteran Sergeant * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scouts Bolt pistol, Combat Knife * Scout Squad (152pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Scout) Camo Cloaks * Scout Sergeant Sniper Rifle * Scout with Heavy Weapon Bolt pistol * Heavy Bolter Hellfire Shells * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scouts Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle * Scout Squad (120pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Scout) * Land Speeder Storm (Deep Strike, Scouts) Cerberus Launcher, Jamming Beacon, Multi-Melta * Scout Sergeant Combi-weapon * Scouts Bolt pistol, Boltgun * Scouts Bolt pistol, Boltgun * Scouts Bolt pistol, Boltgun * Scouts Bolt pistol, Boltgun + Fast Attack + (370pts) * Scout Bike Squad (120pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, Scouts) Astartes Grenade Launcher, 4x Scout Biker * Scout Biker Sergeant Power Weapon, Veteran Sergeant * Stormtalon Gunship (125pts) (Aerial Assault, Escort Craft, Hover Strike, Supersonic) Skyhammer Missile Launcher, Twin-Linked Assault Cannon * Stormtalon Gunship (125pts) (Aerial Assault, Escort Craft, Hover Strike, Supersonic) Skyhammer Missile Launcher, Twin-Linked Assault Cannon + Heavy Support + (400pts) * Predator (100pts) Twin-Linked Lascannons * Stormraven Gunship (200pts) (Assault Vehicle, Ceramite Plating, Power of the Machine Spirit) Storm Strike Missile, Twin Linked Assault Cannons, Twin Linked Multi Meltas * Thunderfire Cannon (100pts) (And They Shall Know no Fear, Blessing of the Omnissiah, Bolster Defenses, Chapter Tactics)
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Where is says power weapon its to taste, I like power mauls but depends on your meta
combie weapon on scout sgt is melta in the melta LSS

pretty well rounded list kind of flyer heavy but if your going for mobility its fun
3 mobile scoring units and one large blob to hold base objective
add chapter master to scout bike squad and get him into beatdown range
i love having a seemingly unthreatening predator I have had that lascannon get key kills
have one talon escort the raven so they come in at same time

How does this work:
Iron Hands:

• Chapter Master (235pts)
And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Independent Character, Orbital Bombardment
Artificer Armor (20pts), Bike (20pts), Power Weapon (15pts), The Shield Eternal (50pts)

4x: Combat squads (Sniper and ML stay back in infiltrate, rest load into LSS)
• Scout Squad (199pts)
And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Scout
o Land Speeder Storm (55pts)
Deep Strike, Scouts
Cerberus Launcher, Jamming Beacon, Multi-Melta (10pts)
o Scout Sergeant (26pts)
Combi-weapon (10pts), Melta Bombs (5pts)
o Scout with Heavy Weapon (26pts)
Bolt pistol, Missile Launcher (15pts)
o Scouts (12pts)
Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle (1pts)
o Scouts (12pts)
Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle (1pts)
o Scouts (12pts)
Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle (1pts)
o Scouts (12pts)
Bolt pistol, Sniper Rifle (1pts)
o Scouts (11pts)
Bolt pistol, Combat Knife
o Scouts (11pts)
Bolt pistol, Combat Knife
o Scouts (11pts)
Bolt pistol, Combat Knife
o Scouts (11pts)
Bolt pistol, Combat Knife

• Scout Bike Squad (202pts)
And They Shall Know no Fear, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, Scouts
3x Astartes Grenade Launcher (15pts), 8x Scout Biker (144pts)
o Scout Biker Sergeant (43pts)
Power Weapon (15pts), Veteran Sergeant (10pts)

• Stormtalon Gunship (125pts)
Aerial Assault, Escort Craft, Hover Strike, Supersonic
Skyhammer Missile Launcher (15pts), Twin-Linked Assault Cannon

• Stormtalon Gunship (140pts)
Aerial Assault, Escort Craft, Hover Strike, Supersonic
Twin-Linked Assault Cannon, Twin-linked lascannon (30pts)

thats alot of scouts!
so for anti tank you got 4 missiles launchers and 4 meltas on the board off the get go and then the tank hunting talons
also i have already run variants of the list i posted, my one piece of advice is be somewhat cautious with the LSS, with a list that mobile you should be able to dictate the charge, just make sure you soften them up first, i would also drop a melta offf a storm in favor of heavy flamer then use the 10 points to make a vet sgt and give him a power weapon instead of combi that way your getting 4 power weapon attacks on the charge

I would also still try and incorporate a thunder fire as well there so great this edition and tyour snipers will benefit from the bolster terrain, and speaking of your snipers gotta have them cloaks!

Well, I can see Treavous has gone to a lot of effort with his thoughts.

Whilst it's pretty good, I'd go down a different route.

Chapter Tactics
Ultramarines

Re-rolling ones in turn 1/2 is excellent and will help you with the weight of fire which could help turn the ride your way.

Tigurius - Choose Divination. His psychic powers REALLY help scouts. Pre-science re-rolling helps with BS3, Perfect timing ignoring cover and Forewarning giving the 4+ inv save. Which is useful considering how soft scouts are.

Also, take an Aegis for those snipers to hide behind for the 3+ cover save. 2+ for the Telion unit, which you should put behind the Quad gun for additional anti air and all round killer.

More sniper scouts! They will down MCs handily.

The configuration of the rest of the army works nicely, but I think my suggestions could help.

I took a look at the feedback and came up with this.

Let me know if this works.

Ultra Marines

Aegis Defense Line w/ Quad Gun

Chief Librarian Tigurius (he is going with the sniper squad)

1x Scout Squad with Telion, 1x missle, 8x Snipers, camo cloaks. (behind the aegis defense line)

3x Scout Squad with Vet Sarg w/ Power weapons and melta bombs, 4x CCW and pistol, 4x Sniper, 1x Missile (going to combat sqaud snipers infiltrate/behind Aegis defense line, and cc unit in LSS)

W/ LSS Multi Melta

1x Scout Bike Squad, Vet Sarg w/ Power weapon and melta bombs, 3x AGL. 7x scout bikers.

2x Thunder Fire Cannon (going behind the adl)

Does this work, or is my other list a better option?

I like this one better.

Many try and squeeze some Stormtalons in this one as well?

At the end of the day mate, it's entirely up to you. I like the concept of plenty of scouts though. I play with 10 Snipers with cloaks and Telion behind an ADL on the Quad cannon, with Tigurius buffing and it really works well.

smithy12262 wrote:
I like this one better.

Many try and squeeze some Stormtalons in this one as well?

At the end of the day mate, it's entirely up to you. I like the concept of plenty of scouts though. I play with 10 Snipers with cloaks and Telion behind an ADL on the Quad cannon, with Tigurius buffing and it really works well.

How would you get storm talons into here?

I don't have my codex to hand, so I can't really give you a proper list calculation.

Maybe drop a couple of scout units?

smithy12262 wrote:
I don't have my codex to hand, so I can't really give you a proper list calculation.

Maybe drop a couple of scout units?

Are scouts not the point of the army?

Drop 1 Thunder fire and Sgt telion for talon

 Treavous wrote:
Drop 1 Thunder fire and Sgt telion for talon

I don't have my codex yet what does Telion do for the scouts?

I would take Mantis Warrior with 6 units of CC scouts in Landspeeders storms with some sniper scouts (the combat squaded half) held back as fire support. Landspeeders for anti armor and anti infantry.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/FWchaptertactics.pdf

This gives you scouts with hammer of wrath and furious charge from cover. As well as a reroll at seize the intiiative. Final bonus of having the option to divination on your librarians, which no other space marine can take. You could put him in a droppod with sternguard (modeled as scout versions) and back it all up with some stormtalons (which can come in outflanking with a couple of land speeder storms,)

Can those chapter tactics be used in official GW tournaments?

Yes they can, unless the Tournament specifically disallows them.


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Also, for scout company goodness, if Raven Guard sounded fun, consider Korvydae from IA 8. He makes Assault squads into troops, but has to take at least one scout squad. He also gives hit and run to the Assault squad he is with.