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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/22 17:10:47
Subject: Does freedom of speech actually work?
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I know it sounds an odd thing to say but stay with me
Watching the Channel 4 news last night they were reporting on the 50th Anniversary of Kennedy's assassination, and the turmoil of the times. They then reported on the various groups still protesting. Your saw protesters walking the streets with their guns on display, others going on about the hidden "powers" trying to take control and Obama being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the usual stuff. The thing is it all seemed to be just accepted, it's an Americans right to free speech, but does that make it less effective?
Our American cousins sound shocked at some of the perceived restrictions we have over here in the UK. They think we shouldn't allow this to happen. The thing is though, these laws or restrictions actually don't really matter to us. If there is strong enough feelings against something people will break those rules and protest. People who would normally live quiet lives will risk fines or jail to protest to express the objection to something. Protests against Frakking and hunting are two that come to mind.
So I wonder if although a great and noble idea, it actually fails in real terms due to the fact that that freedom is allowed. Basically the objections don't stand out enough. Just an idea
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/22 18:15:31
Subject: Does freedom of speech actually work?
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Solahma
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I don't think anyone has shown a positive correlation between freedom of speech and social violence, although many (especially non-Americans) are keen to assume it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/22 18:20:19
Subject: Does freedom of speech actually work?
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Battlefield Tourist
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Q: Does freedom of speech actually work?
A: Yes.
Next question.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/22 18:21:10
Subject: Does freedom of speech actually work?
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Imperial Admiral
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Wolfstan wrote:I know it sounds an odd thing to say but stay with me
Watching the Channel 4 news last night they were reporting on the 50th Anniversary of Kennedy's assassination, and the turmoil of the times.
It's interesting you mention that. I just read a really good piece by Lowry on the subject.
For all these years, they’ve hidden the truth about the Kennedy assassination. It didn’t require a conspiracy. It just took repeating a falsehood until it was accepted as conventional wisdom. The myth about the Kennedy assassination is that President John F. Kennedy, at great personal risk, traveled to Dallas a.k.a. the City of Hate, and was somehow murdered by an atmosphere of intolerance. The truth is that he was shot by a communist.
As James Piereson writes in his brilliant book Camelot and the Cultural Revolution, liberals had the choice after the assassination to make Kennedy a martyr to civil rights or admit that he was a casualty of the Cold War. They found the notion of Kennedy dying for racial progress much more congenial and useful, even though it depended on a rank distortion.
The misdirection, as Piereson points out, began in the immediate aftermath of Lee Harvey Oswald’s act of murder. A New York Times headline intoned, “Why America Weeps: Kennedy Victim of Violent Streak He Sought to Curb in the Nation.” Earl Warren, the chief justice of the Supreme Court, blamed “the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots.”
Pundits and analysts still follow the well-worn script, often boiling down their indictment to one word: Dallas. The epigraph of the new book Dallas 1963 is a letter to the mayor at the time: “Dallas, the city that virtually invited the poor insignificant soul who blotted out the life of President Kennedy to do it in Dallas.”
Slate calls a letter to Kennedy’s press secretary warning JFK not to visit Dallas because he might be killed by a right-wing mob “eerily prophetic,” which would be unassailably true … if Kennedy had been killed by a right-wing mob.
In a New York Times op-ed, history scholar James McAuley calls Dallas “the city that willed the death of the president.” Who knew that municipalities had such frightening powers? George W. Bush is lucky he wasn’t killed in office by Burlington, Vt., or Berkeley, Calif.
In a news report, Timesman Manny Fernandez writes of the “painful, embarrassing memories of the angry anti-Washington culture that flourished here 50 years ago — and now seems a permanent part of the national mood.”
Get it? The rancid political culture of Dallas that was responsible for the death of Kennedy lives on today in the Tea Party, which needs to be stopped before it kills again.
Making the same connection in the San Francisco Chronicle, Joe Garofoli writes, “Now, extreme speech like the kind heard in Dallas 50 years ago has become mainstream—particularly on the right, amplified by social media and encouraged by gridlocked political leaders looking to win the political minute.”
Thus, the Tea Party is retroactively tarred with one of the most shocking crimes in U.S. history.
There are at least two problems with all this. The first is that cities don’t kill people. Neither does political hostility. There was plenty of kookery, racism and ugliness in Dallas circa 1963—and much derision and abuse of Kennedy—but none of those things picked up a rifle and shot the president of the United States.
If ill will alone were enough to kill, New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly would have dropped dead at Brown University a few weeks ago. Toronto Mayor Rob Ford would take his life in his hands every time he appeared before his own City Council. Ted Cruz wouldn’t be able to safely walk into the congressional press galley.
The second problem—and amazingly enough, saying it still carries a subversive hint of revisionism—is that Oswald was a thoroughgoing communist.
As Piereson recounts, Oswald tried to defect to the Soviet Union. He told a reporter at the time that his reasons were “purely political.” Trying to renounce his citizenship, he gave a note to an official at the U.S. Embassy in the Soviet Union that said, “I affirm my allegiance to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,” and “I am a Marxist.”
Eventually, he returned to the United States and grew disillusioned with the Soviet Union but not with the idea of revolution as exemplified by Fidel Castro’s Cuba. He subscribed to The Militant, published by the Socialist Workers Party, and the Daily Worker, published by the Communist Party. He posed for a photograph holding both publications and the rifle he would use to shoot Kennedy.
The Slate article notes that the right-wing segregationist Edwin Walker, a former general, operated in Dallas as evidence that the city was dangerous territory for any liberal. Fact: Before targeting Kennedy, Oswald tried to assassinate Walker, with a rifle shot through his window.
Oswald had hoped to travel to Cuba and serve in Castro’s government. To establish his bona fides, he set up a chapter of the “Fair Play for Cuba” committee during a stay in New Orleans. He traveled to Mexico City and visited the Cuban and Soviet Embassies in his bid to get to Cuba. He was still trying to navigate the bureaucracy when he heard Kennedy would be visiting Dallas.
The Kennedy assassination has always invited elaborate theories about a coverup of the truth about that awful day. But it’s not complicated. The lie has always been in plain sight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/22 18:57:53
Subject: Does freedom of speech actually work?
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Battlefield Tourist
MN (Currently in WY)
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I think the real question is, did the assassination of James A Garfield by a Stalwart trying to reunite the sundered republican Party indicate that Chris Christie will unify the gap between the moderate pro-business Republicans and the Tea party?
Even the assissination of JFK 50 years ago is a political football to score points with between "liberals" and "Conservatives" today. Sad.
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