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The list is

HQ
Karandras
Farseer
Spiritseer

Elite
Scorpions 9: Crushing blow, chain sabers
Harlequins 10: 2 fusion pistol, Psyker, troupe master

Troop
Wraith guard: 5 d-scythes
Dire avenger 5
Dire avenger 5
DIre avenger 5
Rangers 5

Heavy Support
Fire prism: holo field
Wraith lord: Scatter laser, bright lance, sword, flammer
Reapper: 5, full starshot, and fast shot

1 wave serpent: Scatter laser, Shurikan cannon, holofield

I have played with imperial fists against Tyranids
I have played with tau (kroot) vs imperial guard line tanks and sisters

Lost both games. With zoanthropes behind aegis mid field. 2+ cover save 4 flyers all died at the end of game but lost from the strengh/amount of their fire power
Lost to imperial line because of the amount of fire power, couldn't get close, couldn't kill 1 tank. Had thud guns 3 for less than "200" pts and destroyed our lines. All av 13 ish...

Could you give me types on my list and tactics for what i can do against these lists/ what sort of changes i can make. With the wave serpent only traveling 12" a turn i couldn't get the wraith guard into range. We had table ends the far side. Please i need help.

how many wave serpents do you have?

Are all your troops in waveserpents?

no wonder you are having problems, the list need allot of help. There's no thy theme, no competitive units, and weird hqs. 3hqs is really a waste, I would drop kandarusa, and get a jet bike with mantle of the laughing God for the far sear. I wouldn't take any of those elites you're taking. Cc really isn't great in 6th and that includes eldar. Your troops are very miss mached. Gerry a wave serpent for each dire avenger squad. Drop with Lord and reapers. Then with all your extra points add any of the following: wave serpents, fire prisms, wrath knights, x3 war walkers, fire dragons ( in serpents) or warp spiders. After all of this you should have no problems with others

I like Vaul support batteries, really messes up nids and IG.

I got 1 serpent, i agree with dropping the cc units, but is their anyway to make a base army with counter cc potential...
Could you give me some more hints on troops/how i should use them.
And i couldn't even kill 1 tank... Any weapon loadouts you would recomend.
ANd isn't the valve weapons a little short range, i couldn't even make it in 24".

I would get another wave serpent as soon as possible. There just so good. Warp spiders, war walkers, wave serpents, fire dragons are all good anti tank. Your troops would be good with protection such as a wave serpent. Rangers are fine. D scythe can be very nasty.


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D scythe are your counter assault units, nobody wants to go into that over watch

k, but if they are just sitting there they will attract attention and die. And i am going for a tac list with the abilities to take on these two armies, can you guys give me anymore advise/units/ how to switch up the army list to be able to handle stuff better? thank you.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
no wonder you are having problems, the list need allot of help. There's no thy theme, no competitive units, and weird hqs. 3hqs is really a waste, I would drop kandarusa, and get a jet bike with mantle of the laughing God for the far sear. I wouldn't take any of those elites you're taking. Cc really isn't great in 6th and that includes eldar. Your troops are very miss mached. Gerry a wave serpent for each dire avenger squad. Drop with Lord and reapers. Then with all your extra points add any of the following: wave serpents, fire prisms, wrath knights, x3 war walkers, fire dragons ( in serpents) or warp spiders. After all of this you should have no problems with others

This really sums it up well. I play Eldar and there are a few things I would suggest from my own experience:

- troops should be in a wave serpent whenever possible. They greatly help the survivability of your units and are just too good to pass up.
- I would suggest stock wraith knights for heavy support.
- condense down to 1 HQ. you could use the extra points towards more wave serpents.
- I would consider doing more than 5 man squads of dire avengers. 5 man squads tend to die quickly in my experience and yield first blood easily.
- Considering CC is what it is in 6th and Eldar are not really a CC army, stick more with a style of ranged combat. If you want cc in your army, take it as a compliment to your shooting units.

Hope that helps a little.

Can you explain what units would synergy/ how i could possible use the cc in the army. I know you can counter assault with units but i find they always get wiped out before the enemy makes it to my side.

The only assault unit I won't pick on it striking scorpions. 5 man with exarch with claw can be nasty. Still woundnt recommend cc for a competitive eldar list. Eldar guns all the way.

K, what about if i change my list up like this

Hq
Autarch- Jetbike, Mantle, Banshe mask, Fusion gun, Scorpion sword, Shard of A.....

Elite
Fire Dragons- 5
Wave serpent- Holofield

Troop
Dire-5
Wave serpent- Holofield
Dire-8 exarch shimmer shield, power sword
Wave serpent- Holofield
Ranger-5
Ranger-5
Wind riders-(jet bikes) 3

Fast Attack
Crimson Hunter
Crimson Hunter

Heavy Attack
Fire prism
Fire prism
War walker- 3, 2x scatter laser

Are these changes good?
It comes to 1992 points.

oh great list. very nice. Only thing is scorpain sword is kindov useless on autarch.

 Slayer222 wrote:
K, what about if i change my list up like this

Hq
Autarch- Jetbike, Mantle, Banshe mask, Fusion gun, Scorpion sword, Shard of A.....

Elite
Fire Dragons- 5
Wave serpent- Holofield

Troop
Dire-5
Wave serpent- Holofield
Dire-8 exarch shimmer shield, power sword
Wave serpent- Holofield
Ranger-5
Ranger-5
Wind riders-(jet bikes) 3

Fast Attack
Crimson Hunter
Crimson Hunter

Heavy Attack
Fire prism
Fire prism
War walker- 3, 2x scatter laser

Are these changes good?
It comes to 1992 points.

That's a little more like it.

If you are dead set on close combat, don't underestimate some of the Psyker powers. With a good roll, you can get some nice buffs to make your units more durable/potent in cc.

So sad to watch the harlequins go :sad face: True cost almost 260pts for 10 with the upgrades but they are such a beat stick unit and I love the models (only reason I take them is cause I love the models) only problem is the psychic test which either means they live and kill something or they die.

Other then that serpents, WK, WW, and spiders are the really only good things left in out codex so if you don't like to spam don't plan on winning often. (hey ninjafire you said waveserpent again i'm still counting)



Only change to this list is autarch to farseer and boom head shot.

If you wish to try something that is a bit harder to play then point and shoot serpent spam, go with the seer council because it's fun without being over the top (really its not over the top!) plus it gives people who like wizards lots of powers.

 Arbiter wrote:
(hey ninjafire you said waveserpent again i'm still counting

Lol ok fine I won't ever say "wave serpent" again. It's gonna look like I have really bad grammer...but from this point forth I shall call it...the waveserpnt, wave serpent as one word and with out the e! Mwahahaha

Oh and for your list you need scatter lasers and shuiken canons on your waveserpnts.

Oh yeah sorry its in the points cost, just forgot to add it onto the actual list. :/ .
Can anyone say if the autarch or the farseer is better on the bike alone in this list/ how i would use him to complement my army?

Oh and sword is to switch for shard to keep pistol to get an extra attack in cc.

Well I would use the autarch to just go harassing behind enemy lines, just make sure not to get into combat with anything that can hurt him well.

I love jetseers because they get 3 attacks on the charge with the shard (not great) but they can support the rest of your army with powers, or useing psykic shriek doom ect.

Ps Ninjafire very clever of you, can't tell if you used waveserpents in any of these posts.