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Hq 2panzer IV H

2platoons of 4panzer IV H

2 Tiger IE

sspanzergraidenders full platoon (guy's in half tracks mounted assault rule)

2 8rad recc

3 half track 3.7cm aa

I will be mainly playing against a British tank company with 13 tank 2platoons of infantry and a recc squad .
i really don't like the idea off using any arty as to me it doesn't fit a tank company them



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Hey! New player here as well, but I've been playing nothing but germans. I can maybe help out a little bit.

Tiger 1s are kinda bad unfortunately. And German tank lists are very much a finesse hit-and-run army that need a good amount of support.

Something to provide smoke would be great and something to pin down or dislodge large groups of infantry would be very useful.

I'd drop the Tigers and pick-up maybe some arty (can be mechanized arty), maybe a second 8-rad patrol, and possibly some infantry support for holding objectives.

Haveing only played a dozen games my tigers are really good. also i don't see why i need arty. it seems ever list i look at has it. smoke just seems to hinder me more then opponent limits my range for shooting

Tigers are beasts in mid-war, but they are outclassed once the infantry got bazooka's in late-war.

Overall, I like your list. It has the pieces that you need... aa, infantry, tanks, and recce...
Even numbers of platoons... good for reserve missions.
Even numbers in platoons... good for moral tests.

It seems like a very good and serviceable list, and certainly has what you need to learn the basics of the game.

I thought tiger's are ever ones worst nightmare thought there were so hard to kill and bazooka i thought couldn't hurt a tiger in less you got really lucky

Tiger side armor is 8 and the Bazooka is AT-10... I haven't played in a while, but I think that means:
1 - Tiger Destroyed
2 - Bailed or Destroyed depending on Firepower test
3+ Fine.

Hardly impervious, and with the sheer numbers of bazookas you are going to loose them at some point.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Tiger side armor is 8 and the Bazooka is AT-10... I haven't played in a while, but I think that means:
1 - Tiger Destroyed
2 - Bailed or Destroyed depending on Firepower test
3+ Fine.

Hardly impervious, and with the sheer numbers of bazookas you are going to loose them at some point.

On a failed save, the tank is destroyed if the opponent makes a successful FP check, or bailed if he doesn't. If the save roll meets at AT value, a successful FP check bails, and an unsuccessful FP check leaves it unharmed. A save roll greater than the AT value is obvious.

Also bear in mind that Bazookas are only FP 5+, so relying solely on them to take out a Tiger isn't the best strategy.

He has enough PzIVs to guntank fireflys and protect the Tigers. The Brit infantry only has a PIAT, not massive amounts of bazookas.

The Shurzen equipped PzIVs can ignore them on a 4+(That's your true assault element actually) One platoon plus the 1iC and 2iC= 6 rolls, 4 kills.

I think first things first we need to know whether the British player is playing an actual Tank Company (Churchills) or an Armoured/Armoured Recce Company (Shermans/Cromwells).

The OP says 'tank company', but there's nothing to suggest that it isn't an armoured company and the OP is just referring to them as tanks.

Ill be playing against 10Sherman 3 fireflys one British rifle platoon one 101st platoon and one scout platoon of unvirsel carriers

That sounds more or less like the Open Fire set with a few additional tanks and rifles.

With 10 shermans & 3 flies he'll have two full armoured platoons and one short armoured, which is a weakness you can abuse. 2 shermans and one fly will fall quickly to enough fire, and you have enough to wipe them in one round of shooting.

Use panzer-fired smoke to block the LoS of the fireflies in the platoons you aren't targeting, and open up on one platoon at a time. The Tigers can act as a draw-fire to lure the shermans into a position where they fight on your terms, not theirs, and if you fire your smoke well enough, can take shots at the one or two shermans not blocked.

Keep your recce safe until you're in a position to engage his infantry so they can lift G2G and give you an easier time. Try not to assault the paras unless it's with the tigers, since they all have TA3 gammon bombs, but once the shermans are down he'll either have to shift his infantry, or sit tight, allowing you to sit out of assault range, lift G2G, and blaze away. Your AA especially will make mincemeat of G2G-lifted infantry.

If i use smoke on my turn how does it effect him on his turn . What iam i missing here i didn't see how smoke last more then my trun and then goes away

zilka86 wrote:
If i use smoke on my turn how does it effect him on his turn . What iam i missing here i didn't see how smoke last more then my trun and then goes away

It lasts for the rest of your turn and his next one; there'd be no point otherwise.

I've done alot of assaults with Tiger's with much success even against bazooka's.

They need 4's to hit the tiger at 8". If he spreads out they only have 8" range so assault a flank and half of them won't get to fire.

Drop smoke, guns repeat to pin them and assault into the cloud. Most bazooka's if you hit a flank won't get to defensive fire, and those that do will need 6's to hit you in the smoke due to being pinned.

Then grind him up, once the tiger dies IF it dies fire the arty again for full effect, and have some MG's ready to cut them down now that they're out of their foxholes.