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Autarch; Mantle of the laughing god; Jetbike; Fusion gun; laser lance

5 direavengers; Wave Serpent; TL Scatter laser; Shuriken Cannon; Holo-field (x4)

Crimson Hunter Exarch

10 Warp Spiders; Exarch

Wraithknight (x2)

ok so... does this work? instead of the Spiders i can get a second Crimson hunter for lots of AA and give the autarch the shard of anaris. i think the spiders are a good idea, gives me more str6-7 shots and i can Jump shoot Jump with them to harras the !@#$% out of anything on foot thats scarry.

OR

Autarch; Mantle of the laughing god; Jetbike; Fusion gun; laser lance; Shard of Anaris

6 Fire dragons; Exarch; Fast shot (two melta shots at bs 5) Wave Serpent; TL Scatter laser; Shuriken Cannon; Holo-field

5 direavengers; Wave Serpent; TL Scatter laser; Shuriken Cannon; Holo-field (x4)

3 jetbikes (x2)

Crimson Hunter Exarch

Wraithknight

this version takes advantage of the ability of jet bikes to boost and steal objectives last turn, and boasts some crazy anti tank with the fire dragons, and the shard of anaris making the autarch a MC's nightmare. not to mention the 5th Wave Serpent. what i loose is the the absolute terror 2 wraithknights will cause the majority of players, and the annoying as !@#$% Warp Spiders.

both armys are scarry and both have good balance and i have the models for both, so i cant decide which is the better. anyone got any suggestions?

List one is the better version, the spiders can almost down a flyer themselves in addition to the CHE, also the duel Wk make them harder to deal with, an all around better list.

Agree the 1st is more solid competitive. I would keep the spiders over a second flier.

I agree that the first is the better list. I'd recommend splitting the spiders into two squads however. The short range of their guns makes it difficult to skirt that 12' range with 10 models and still be effective.

ok thnx guys but is this list competitive enough? or should i just go jet seer council? id prefer not to but i totally could...

If you would rather not then don't, this should be plenty competitive with the 4 serpents and knights, just make sure to deploy smartly and roll well!

Hell yeah it's competitive!

4 serpents, 2 knights, and warp spiders. Three of the best units of the best units the strongest codex has available!

I would personally swap the Autarch for a mantleseer, but that's just me. Twin-link those deathspinners, and throw out some maledictions and such.

The autarch's main purpose is controlling when the Crimson Hunter enters the table.

I would also break the spiders up into two groups. They're pretty effective even in small numbers. That'll just give you more options tactically and present more targets for your opponent.

Ok thnx guys ill split the spiders and may possibly use the extra ten points to get a mantle seer. Ill play test both mantle seer and autarch. In past games I find the autarch to really feth up people's days. Thnx guys the help was great

You can also switch the crimson hunter for some night wings, and while a mantle autarch is great, a farseer one is better. But it is a good list over all.

Ya after giving it thought the mantle seer will be better, anyone know where I can find a guide on how to build a Farseer on a bike?

Lol easy, buy a farseer and a hobby saw chop him in half and glue him to jetbike legs, or, buy a jetbiker, take a farseer's head a cape and a spear from the empire and boom instant farseer.

Anything harder then that look on youtube.