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Need some help with a Space Wolves with Tau Allies at the 1500 point level. The list below is 1485 points I'm not really sure where to put the last 15 points, some of the ideas i have are:

(+) another GH for one of the razorbacks,

(+) changing the Tau HQ to a fireblade (i'm always hesitant about etherals and the 2 VPs they confer)

(+) upgrades for the Riptide (EWO and perhaps the Ion Accelerator)

(+) Upgrades for the Rune Priest or Wolf Guard

other than that any general suggestions, help or comments about the list would be greatly appreciated.


HQ -

Rune Priest (Living Lightening / Murderous Hurricane)

ELITES

Wolf Guard Pack - 5 x Terminators (1 Power Ax, 1 Power Sword, 3 x Power Fist) (5 x Combi Melta)
Drop Pod

TROOPS

Grey Hunters - 5 x GH
Razor Back ( twin linked Lascannon)

Grey Hunters - 5 x GH
Razor Back (twin linked lascannon)

Grey Hunters - 5 x GH
Razor Back (twin linked Heavy bolter)

Grey Hunters - 9 x GH
Rhino

HEAVY SUPPORT

+ Whirlwind

+ Predator (auto cannon)

TAU ALLIES

HQ

Ethereal

ELITES

Riptide (heavy burst cannon / plasma)

TROOPS

6 x FW

HEAVY SUPPORT

Sky Ray (black sun filter)

The idea is a balanced list that slightly leans to the ability to respond to the large amounts of high AV vehicles i see in my meta. The Rune Priest will go into Rhino and shoot from one of the 2 Fire Points, the Wolf Guard will drop in the first turn and destroy a High Value Target and then disrupt the enemy backfield, The GHs will use their vehicles to move to OBJs, the various Vehicles will provide anti tank (las) or anti personnel (Heavy Bolters) fire as they move along. The predator will provide anti tank fire, the whirlwind will provide fire against dismounted troops. On the Tau side the Etheral and the small FW team will sit in the back field and provide fire and control near Objectives, The Rip Tide will contest the middle of the field and provide fire support and finally the Sky Ray will serve as my anti air platform and marker light support for my Rip tide.

Since you don't have much for an ethereal to buff, I agree a fireblade would be better. If your going that route, consider kroot or a full squad of warriors. Your Tau troops and HQ don't offer much, but the fireblade offers long range dakka boosting and a markerlight, better than nothing.

I second an ion accel and EWO on the tide as well.

Your wolf guard can live without power fists...just take axes, maybe one power or chainfist for AT. Axes, mauls and swords are fine. Try to give your hunters some special weapons.

Skyray could use a disruption pod if you can afford.

Thank you for your reply and advice (as well as the great TV, sorry aha couldn't help it!)

I've made some changes based on your suggestions:


(on the Tau Side)

Went with the Fireblade for the allied HQ. The Etheral would be to squishy with the minimal Tau Troops to Protect it and the 2nd victory point plus army wide morale check is never fun. Additionally I don't plan on moving the FWs that much so they should benefit from the Firebaldes Buff (which gives an extra show even at the 30' range), plus as you stated an extra BS5 ML is never a bad thing. I also went with a large squad of FW for back-line control.

I understand the suggestion for the D-POD for the skyray but I don't have the points at this time to make happen, with a drop pod coming into their face turn one and a riptide controlling the middle of the board I'm expecting the Sky Ray to be lower on my opponents target priority list.

Agreed with the IA for tide, it is a just a more versatile weapon as it can both pie plate infantry as well as engage vehicles. EWO added as well which has always worked well with the TL plasma in my opinion.

(on the wolf side)

Only a single Fist in the WG, I see your point, plus that was a mistake on my behalf as they would negate their rather decent initiative due to the unwieldy nature of the weapons, went with 3 swords and a claw as they don't drop the unit to I1. Thanks for the suggestion on this one this was a huge points hole that I didn't even recognize.

Got rid of the predator to free up some points for other upgrades, with the IA on the tide, plus 2 TL Lazcannons on the Razorbacks I'll have enough fire power at the 1500 point level to deal with heavy stuff. If all else fails I can always use the WG to assault and use the PF and there is still the Sky Ray if need be.

I added an extra grey hunter to the anti-infantry Razor Back as well as providing each GH squad a flamer as well as gave my RP a slain.

LIST NOW LOOKS LIKE (this is exactly 1500):

HQ -

Rune Priest (Living Lightening / Murderous Hurricane) + Chooser of the Slain

ELITES

Wolf Guard Pack - 5 x Terminators (1 x Power Fist, 1 x Wolf Claw, 3 x Power Sword) (5 x Combi Melta)
Drop Pod

TROOPS

Grey Hunters - 5 x GH (flamer)
Razor Back ( twin linked Lascannon)

Grey Hunters - 5 x GH (flamer)
Razor Back (twin linked lascannon)

Grey Hunters - 6 x GH (flamer)
Razor Back (twin linked Heavy bolter)

Grey Hunters - 9 x GH
Rhino

HEAVY SUPPORT

+ Whirlwind

TAU ALLIES

HQ

Fire-Blade

ELITES

Riptide (IA / plasma) + EWO

TROOPS

11 x FW

HEAVY SUPPORT

Sky Ray (black sun filter)

please keep the suggestions coming everyone!

I would maybe replace the whirlwind with something else, and I'm also not a huge fan of razorbacks or 5 man squads. But I wont criticize, I see some kind of logic there, All and all it looks pretty good. The one thing I might suggest is instead of murderous hurricane using JoTWW. Its really fun to use, and in this day and age of death-stars and giants- its a godsend


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And the tau end of things looks pretty good too

Njal,

I was actually thinking about trying to run a second Rune Priest (LL / JoTWW) in this list and doing so by getting rid of the whirlwind and a single Grey Hunter. and either having him hang out with the FWs on the back line or even going in the pod for some in your face lightening / JotWW (if he can survive the initial counter attack). As for MH itself i'm a huge fan of it after i actually used it multiple times the other night and wrecked havoc on Nids and Orks in a 3 player free for all.

I have leaned back to the Whirlwind for the time being for the fact that it can wreck havoc on any infantry units on the table from behind cover. The way that the list is set up I have a lot of strong guns to shoot at powerful big stuff but with the exception of the AP2 Pie plate of the Tide I don't have much mass infantry killing stuff hence the Whirlwind.

I see your point about the Razorbacks but I think that comes down to a style of play. I'm a fan of having smaller units of hunters in shooting pill boxes as it makes my opponent commit more forces to kill 5-6 of them letting another mass of them go.

Thanks for the feedback!