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A friend and I found a new game shop with nearly a dozen fantastic WM players, all really nice and figured we'd try the game out as well. After some trial and error with battlebox match ups (I chose Cyriss and my friend picked Cygnar) we figured we'd try out hands at a 15pt game. We've got a good understanding of the WM rules. (and I with my Cyriss rules)

Any way, I got to playing around with the numbers and thought perhaps a T4 list with all light vectors might work at this point size.

-Syntherion
-1x Corollary
-2x Diffuser
-2x Galvanizer
-1x Mitagator
-2x Optifex Directive
-1x Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex

I've also considered dropping one of the ODs for a Reflex Servitors squad.

Is this sound or horribly flawed?

Wait, can you actually get to t4 at 15 points? I honestly had never tried to do that.

I don't really like the list. For one thing you really would not be wanting 2 diffusers I don't think. For another 2 optifex directive is probably 1 too many. At least at this level. You really don't need more optifex than you have vectors (the corollary doesn't count. it's more a floating pile of focus than a real vector.)

I guess with synergy you might be able to pull off a light vector mob, but the fact remains you don't have a beatstick and even with that list you only have 2 models that will realistically want to be taking advantage of synergy (the galvanizers). If you wanted to go that way I'd just swap the mitigator and one diffusor for moar galvinizers and end up with 4 (or even more if you drop the optifexen), but that's probably not the best option unless you're just trying to have fun and push synergy.

I would counter-offer your list with something like this.
Forge Master Syntherion (*6pts)
* Corollary (3pts)
* Diffuser (3pts)
* Galvanizer (3pts)
* Cipher (9pts)
Optifex Directive (Leader and 2 Grunts) (2pts)
Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex (1pts)

That gives you pretty much everything you'd be getting out of your list and still gives you a great utility/beatstick heavy that plays nice with Syntherion's feat and hot shot.

There's also some other things you could be looking at. One is if you really want that free galvanizer you can drop the optifexen to buy another light vector (maybe a mitigator. knock down is a big deal. You don't really need 3 galvinizers unless you really want to. Of course then the cypher would have to turn into an assimilator and you'd lose a lot of utility from the awesome quake/flare ammo) and use that to hit tier 4. I don't really recommend that though because I think the optifexen give too much versatility to give up. Plus actually letting Syntherion get magnetic hold off while he's still staying very very far away is a big deal. Syntherion wants to be exactly 12 inches behind your back row of vectors at all times.

Another option for you to look at is ditching the corollary and not worrying about tier, then using the 3 points you save to buy that 2nd galvanizer (2 galvanizers is a good thing in this list, the question is whether they're worth what you're giving up to get them). The tier list is awesome but you really don't need it at 15 points. Syntherion is incredibly good with focus after turn 2 (i.e. when you'll need it) since he doesn't actually have to spend any for anything except allocation, and the CoC free focus gravy train can let you keep those hungry vectors well fed. I think he could probably manage 4 vectors by himself with 5 focus if you can get work done with induction. It would require a lot of you as a player though since that focus induction rubix cube would need to go your way every turn for you to get work done.

Again, new, I had made another list similar to what you had suggested and will try it, but I was curious if the T4 at 15pt would actually work.

I assumed that heavy vectors/warjacks were not always needed and though at lower points I could effectively get away with it.

No big deal. Just messing around and building your list can be really fun. That said, there are always a few things that will work better, but of course that depends on the opponent a lot.

As for not needing a heavy, I don't think I would want to be on the receiving end of a heavy jack/beast and not have something to trade with it. Let's just assume some kind of average profile, ARM 18 and 30 boxes. Your galvinizer is the only thing you have that can physically put damage down. Assuming no other buffs it would be hitting at dice - 6. That is not good. 1 damage average, 4 on a charge... not a situation I want to be in.

Let's see what Syntherion can give that galvanizer to make things better. Let's give it a (generous) 2 steps of synergy which you probably wouldn't get in a 15 point game. We will also assume you can get the charge (which is reasonable between magnetic hold and the diffuser) and we will load it up with 3 focus. The average damage that a galvainzer bullet will do to that heavy is 15 (6 on the free charge and then three bought attacks at 3 damage each). That is a nice chunk of damage, but if you didn't kill the cortex that heavy is going to scrap your galvanizer next turn, and you just permanently lost a link in the synergy chain. It's even worse with beasts. if you didn't crit for grievous wounds that beast will basically not even notice you hit it.

Now, let's examine what happens when you plow a cypher into that theoretical heavy. You have 2 P+S 18 initials, so you're hitting at flat dice. On an average charge without any synergy whatsoever you would do 31 damage (10 on the charge, another initial for 7, then 2 more bought attacks). You wrecked it with damage to spare (and if you charged for free from the diffuser you could theoretically still have a focus to smack something else).

Now think about this: you just wrecked the opponent's heavy and yours is still on the table. There is no way your opponent has enough other stuff to completely destroy your heavy before you just mop whatever else he has left. Even if he sent a light jack/beast into your heavy like we discussed above you have auto-repair so whatever system(s) they knock out will be back online in time for you to wreck whatever tried to put you down.

This example assumes you hit every time, but between magnetic hold and 2 links of synergy that's an ok assumption.

Anyway I don't want to come off like that guy who says "you can't do that". I'm not very great at this game either. All I'm saying is that given the choice I would want a heavy on my side, unless you did something truly ridiculous like:

Forge Master Syntherion (*6pts)
* Corollary (3pts)
* Diffuser (3pts)
* Galvanizer (0pts)
* Galvanizer (3pts)
* Galvanizer (3pts)
* Galvanizer (3pts)
* Galvanizer (3pts)
Optifex Directive (Leader and 2 Grunts) (2pts)
Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex (1pts)

That list would put a smile on my face, because you just let the opponent's heavy take one of the galvanizers, then mob it with the other 4 and disassemble it...heh

Oh, one more thing to think about, Syntherion's feat means that he really really wants vectors with both melee and ranged attacks. The cypher really goes beast mode on feat turn. Let's take that example above where you wrecked the opponent's heavy and have a focus to spare. Now imagine Syntherion popped feat. You can use that spare focus and drop a quake shot on top of whatever looks most dangerous to your heavy next turn. It is suddenly standing in difficult terrain and can't charge you next turn!

I really appreciate the discussion.

I'll still have to give this list a shot. (And report back)

I was hoping the Mitigator's quake would knock down allowing the Diffusers to more easily hit, which then would allow the Galvanizers to charge and auto-hit in melee. Not an ideal plan, but was a plan nonetheless. LOL

-Syntherion
-1x Corollary
-2x Diffuser
-2x Galvanizer
-1x Mitigator
-1x Optifex Directive
-1x Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex
-1x Elimination or Reflex Servitor


However, my other fall back list (non-tiered) was this.
-Syntherion
-1x Galvanizer
-2x Diffuser
-1x Cipher
-1x Optifex Directive
-1x Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex