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Hi guys,

I am fighting Tau at 1000p (he actually has 750, its an ongoing campaign). The mission is The Scouring.

This is my list, please comment:

Lord - 185p
jump pack, PF, MoS, Sigil, Mutation, Brand

3 Spawn - 90p
(runs with lord)

Noise Marines - 125p
Blastmaster

Noise Marines - 125p
Blastmaster

2 Maulerfiends - 250p

3 Oblits - 219p



Plan:
NM blasts infantry
Oblits blasts various things, as well as await the drop of crisis suits
Maulers and Lord+Spawns charge ahead

Best advice will vary some depending on what types of units your opponent leans towards....

Does he tend toward Crisis/Stealth Suits, or large numbers of Fire Warriors? Do you expect to face many/any vehicles?

Common units he uses:

- Crisis suits for Deep Strike (with his Lord)

- Rip Tide

- few FW (he often tries to wipe instead of take obj)

- broadsides

- the big nasty tank (which my Maulers tend to work very well against)

Sonic blasters. Why the hell do you take noize marines if you don't take those?

Lord's better off on a bike. Brand's not super - useful there. U'll see that it's often better not to kill too many enemies before you charge them. Cause they can run or you can fail a charge. And will just get shot to death.

I would consider dropping the brand and an Oblit for another unit of Chaos Spawns.

Given the point restrictions of the match, if he deepstrikes anything meaningful, he won't have what it takes to stop you from getting into HtH with the units he deploys.

He's not going to have many S10 weapons, and the ones he does have will almost certainly be aimed at a Mauler.

Remember that the strength of a unit (in HtH) is proportional to the opponent's. Against Tau, spawns might as well be terminators. For 30 points/model you get 3 T5 wounds, and a scoring unit that do the most important thing well: Get into HtH quickly)

Even if you can't get into HtH and dominate him, if he spends his time reacting to you, not proactively working to win the game, you will win easily.


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 koooaei wrote:

Lord's better off on a bike. Brand's not super - useful there. .

I generally agree about the bike, unless the plan is to keep the Lord entirely out of sight as long as possible. A Bike will lose a lot of vertical distance maneuvering as to stay completely hidden.

Thanks for all the nice and quick replies guys.

As for the noise marines, I take them fpr the Blast Master, which I have found is very very nice for killing infantry in cover. Like FW for example.

But dropping the Brand and an oblit for more spawns seems clever indeed. =)


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Also, would Raptors be better than Spawns?

Raptors will die before doing anything. Spawns are almost alwayz better.

Take blasters

Besides, if you have rhino models, it's not a bad idea to get them for noize marines. You could use them to focus fire and to block los with move-flatout. Or you copuld even use them to provide cover and blos to lord + spawns on the move.

Spawns it is then!

Will also try to get some points off to get sonic blasters.

Another thought: You could sell out for the blitz entirely and drop the oblits and brand for another maulerfiend and 4 Chaos Spawns.

Weighting your list toward accomplishing one goal has a non-linear relationship with how well the list can accomplish that goal (I wouldn't say it's exponential, but definitely geometric).

In this particular case, being one dimensional will not be a weakness, given your opponent and that faster units score in the mission.

The reason I recommend this approach is that 2 oblits may not, in fact, be able to reduce your opponents firepower within a 1-2 turn window. By providing additional hard targets, you take some of the load off of ALL the units you are blitzing with, by reducing your opponents firepower per capita.

Man I knew it was time for me to buy a 3rd Mauler. The most fun unit I ever had. I wont be able to paint one until tonight though, so 2 will have to suffice. And I only have 7 spawns as well, so that will have to do I fear.

I first thought of Havocs with Las Cannons for armour pounding, but then took Oblits as thety can cope with various threats.

I'd not drop oblits for a 3-d mauler unless you have a themed list.

I was thinking of a Helbrute otherwise. Internet usually says they are so-so, but I have played some 10 games with them recently, and they have almost always at least killed things over their pojt value.

Another thought: Against the type of Tau list you've indicated you expect, the Noise Marines only really good for Anti-Tank.

The bolters will be out of range, and an 8/4 weapon against a Tau player that prefers tanks and suits will really only be effective against the tanks...

If you drop the Noise Marines and run cultists (100pts for 2 squads vs 250) you free up 150 pts. Enough to take 5 Raptors w/ MoN, 2 Meltaguns and a PF on the champ.

Even if you don't want to use raptors; I think you can get more for your 150pts than the Noise Marines.

Plus a Mark of Nurgle or serve your Lord better than the MoS (+1 T and shrouded).

If you don't feel like going that all out, swap for Nurgle on the lord and take 2 squads of Plague Marines with 2xPlasma. They'd be a little more expensive than the Noise marines, but the plasma might be more effective against the units you'll be facing.

They've got S&P so you can fire normally while advancing, and with FNP and Shrouded, they'll survive Tau shooting much better than the NMs

Nice tips buddy, but the the HQ of this specific army on the campaign map we play on is Slaanesh. My Nurgle Lord is on another end of the map, stomping Dark Eldar (4 wins, 0 losses). So Slaanesh it is.

I felt that Blastmasters might be good at killing FW in cover, as well as instakilling Crisis Suits (s8, ap3, ignore cover, blast). As well as stay near home objectives. And they are fearless, so if he kills all but 1 or 2 NM, they will get outta sight and hide behind obj.

For tanks I thought I'd take em on with good old Mauly and Fiendo, as well as Lord with PF and Oblits.

Well, if it's gotta be MoS, I think we've refined the list as far as is reasonable!

And yeah, the BM's will waste FWs.

I expect a full report on how it goes!

I will post a summary the day after the smoke has cleared over the burnt (and chewed upon) corpses of the fish-faced Tau. =)


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About Spawns, they have no save, and t5 (cant mark em Nurgle with a MoS Lord). If they charge Tau FW with their s5 shots, wont the spawns just die?

Would I be better off to put the Lord in a Rhino (with Dirge Caster) together with more NM with FnP-banner? And CCW and DOom SIren.