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Does this rule exist?  What is/was it?
   
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It isn't called "Torrent of Fire", but those words are used within the rules text.

Read the casualty removal rules on page 26, 4th paragraph. It is the rule that allows a single model to have a forced armor save if more wounds are caused on a unit then it has models. There is a similiar (but slightly different) variation of it also found in the close combat rules.




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what yak said.

hmm... in combat, the torrent of fire equivalent is worked out on 'more or equal wounds to models in the kill zone' right? and only models in the killzone are valid targets? and its re-evaluated at each init step?

i think these are all true but just wanted to check

   
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No mention of kill zone. You must inflict as many or more wounding hits from a single unit as the target has models. Then, only units in the kill zone could be targeted to make an individual save.
   
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ahh i just checked it (p41), you're right there's no mention of killzone, nor of being in range/LOS if in shooting.

so if you can only see 3 out of 5 models, when you shoot, to nominate a save you need 5 or more wounds caused, but you can nominate on a model that isn't a valid target... how odd.


in combat though, you only have to cause wounds equal to the number of *engaged* models.

hmm, can you nominate at every initiative step in combat?
if a unit takes enough wounding hits in one Initiative step to cause one or more wounds on every engaged model, the attacking player nominates one engaged model to make the first save. after this, all other saving throws are made normally.

now that's quite badly worded. note, it says the attacker nominates, not that he may nominate
it also says in ONE initiative step. and that after that, the rest are made normally. so does this mean you can only nominate a save once per combat phase?
   
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Could it be one of those very rare flaws in GW rule writing?

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Sorry, I meant to type that only models in the kill zone could be singled out. The rule says "the shooting player can nominate one model in the target unit that could be a casualty. This model must make a save etc etc." So you can't nominate a model that is not in the kill zone.
   
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"the shooting player can nominate one model in the target unit that could be a casualty This model must make a save etc etc."

it doesn't specify that, so you can nominate one that you can't see
   
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What about the Range and LOS requeriment?
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Moore, Ok.

"the shooting player can nominate one model in the target unit that could be a casualty "
i'd say if they're not in los or range, they couldn't be a target.
unless it was a ord. scatter...

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Spooky, what rulebook are you reading from that doesn't include the "could be a casualty" bit? Page 26, 4th paragraph, 12th line, starting at the 8th word.
   
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uhhh woops
   
 
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