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Dives with Horses

Well it would probably help if I had my codex on me but I haven't scanned it in yet to put it on my computer (this is totally legal, I have the right to have one back-up copy for personal use under Canadian Copyright Laws)

Some things I want to be sure of:

Troop selections:
You no longer need to have at least one firewarrior squad, you can use only kroot if you like.

Marker Drones:
Because the Markerlight is a heavy weapon even though they have jet packs they can not move and shoot.

Drones:
No more lower leadership value when unit drops below 5?

There are a few other things when I think about it but that is it for now.

Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.

engine

 
   
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Dives with Horses

I forgot this one: Marker drones are able to not move in movement phase, shoot heavy weapon & then do jetpack move in Assault phase?

Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.

engine

 
   
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Widowmaker






Syracuse, NY

Firewarriors are still 1+

Drones do not get the option to take ASS, and therefore must forfeit their movement phase in order to fire the markerlight.

Marker drones will be allowed to make an assault move after firing a heavy weapon, this is part of the jetpack special rules. This is assuming the unit they are attached to has jetpacks as well.

Gundrone squadrons base statline is Ld7 now yes. No special rules apply.

   
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Dives with Horses

Posted By Moz on 04/13/2006 9:06 AM
Firewarriors are still 1+

Please tell me where you found this? Not doubting you but I have looked through the rules a couple of times and couldn't find that stated (although it is most likely hiding out in the open for me to see)

Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.

engine

 
   
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Silverdale, WA

Under the actual entry for the Firewarriors it lists them as "1+" meaning one or more units.

 
   
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Dives with Horses

Yup, hiding out in the open...

Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.

engine

 
   
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Dives with Horses

Another thing, do sniper drone teams need to keep unit coherency? (Again, it would help if I had my codex on me)

Drano doesn't exactly scream "toy" to me.

engine

 
   
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Silverdale, WA

I couldn't find anything in there about them not keeping coherency. I think fluffwise it makes sense that they wouldn't, but gamewise they do.

 
   
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Sniper Drone Teams

They are seperate units, but only take one slot on your army list construction, you treat them the same as you do IG infantry squads. . .

Here is the example. . . (Playing a Cleanse Mission)

I begin by deploying my heavy support, since the sniper drones teams take up a single hs choice all three are deployed before any of my other units, however because they are seperate units, I can deploy them as far aways as I wish as long as their still in my deployment zone. . .

   
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[MOD]
Making Stuff






Under the couch

They are seperate units, but only take one slot on your army list construction, you treat them the same as you do IG infantry squads. . .

It's a nice idea, but there's nothing in the rules that actually backs it up.

 
   
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer






Somewhere in south-central England.

The members of each team must keep coherency but the three teams in a slot can be deployed separately in space but at the same time.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




I agree with Insaniak, there is nothing that specifically says that the teams operate independantly of each other (unlike, say, the Lictor/Zoanthrope entry in the 'Nid codex.).The contents of a team are defined, but nothing says the teams are split up. Good gaming!

Clarence
   
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Lieutenant General





Florence, KY

Uh, perhaps you'd like to show us where the rules require that different units must remain in coherency just because they're purchased from the same Force Organization slot. Because the rules are quite clear that they are indeed separate units.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Making Stuff






Under the couch

The members of each team must keep coherency but the three teams in a slot can be deployed separately in space but at the same time.

Yep, I agree with that. I thought he was asking about the drones keeping in coherency with the controller, not seperate teams.

 
   
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Silverdale, WA

Sorry, I thought the same.
Teams = seperate units
Members of a team = models in coherency

 
   
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Been Around the Block




The codex is in my car, I don't know the rule quote word for word but, they can be seperated.

one group consisting of a controller, and 3 sniper drones is 80 points. You can take 3 for one heavy support slot. This is 0-1 so you can only have up to 3 sniper teams. Each team does not need to deploy in coherency.
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




To Ghaz:

The teams are never reffered to as "units." Nor are there specific rules in the codex stating that the teams may be split up.

For example, in the Imperial Guard codex, it specifically says that the contents of an Infantry platoon operate as independant units. In the Tyranid codex, it specifically says Lictors/Zoanthropes operate independantly of each other. No such reference is made in the Sniper Drones entry of the Tau codex.

The way I see it, the contents of the "team" are clearly defined, and the unit consists of 1-3 teams.

Having said all that, I would actually prefer it if they were independant of each other (though I do see the benefits of keeping them as one massive unit too.) However, until I read something that defines each team as a unit or read something that states that they operate independantly, I have to regrettably field them as a single unit.

Dissapointingly, the WD battle report also shows them deployed and seeminly used as a single unit (though battle reports shouldn't be used as proofs due to the occaisionaly errors that crop up in them.) Interestingly, if they had been set up seperately, if would have been pretty much  proof-positive that they are independant. Anyway, good gaming!

Clarence
   
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Regular Dakkanaut





Team is defined in the tau codex.

"This shows the number of models in the unit, or the number of models you may take for one choice from the force organisation chart..."
   
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Florence, KY

Posted by Clarence on 04/17/2006 11:43 PM
The teams are never reffered to as "units

Perhaps you should read your codex then. On page 24 of Codex Tau Empire:

Number/Team/Squad etc:This shows the number of models in the unit , or the number of models you may take from one Force Organisation chart. Often this is a variable amount, in which case it shows the minimum and maximum unit size.

So that clearly indicates that every time they use the term 'team', they're referring to a unit.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




To Ghaz:

I respectfully withdraw my argument, and will now use my Sniper Drones as I have always wanted to. Good gaming!

Clarence
   
 
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