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The question of the thread stands as it's own topic of discussion. I thought it could freeform and cover everything without always having a need for a new topic every time a new mini is out or a question pops up.

For instance, I just got around to assembling my samurai box. Why is the crouching one so fething huge? I don't object to it in principle, I like a nice beefy model at this level of gaming, but the other two are barely taller while standing up. Is this another case of WGF getting the proportions wrong, like the now much maligned female multi-part sprue?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
The question of the thread stands as it's own topic of discussion. I thought it could freeform and cover everything without always having a need for a new topic every time a new mini is out or a question pops up.

For instance, I just got around to assembling my samurai box. Why is the crouching one so fething huge? I don't object to it in principle, I like a nice beefy model at this level of gaming, but the other two are barely taller while standing up. Is this another case of WGF getting the proportions wrong, like the now much maligned female multi-part sprue?

Honestly, there isn't enough Malifaux traffic on Dakka to warrant them. I would recommend checking out the ones on Wyrd's forums though, they're rich with tips, as is the wiki.

The crouching Samurai (The Samurai of Earth, I believe is his official name) isn't a scaling issue, he's actually meant to be like that. It's the same as the crouching Death Marshal (who would be seven feet tall, easily), the Brass Arachnid (which does not fit on its 30mm base unless you are VERY creative), and Santiago Ortega (who is massive).

I wouldn't say the female multi-part set is much maligned, Wyrd owned up to it and fixed it, just as they did with the Amazon Viktorias. The other size discrepancies aren't production issues. Wyrd has stated this and they do not intend to change them.

The Death marshal was stated to be some sort of in-joke.

Wyrd has a history of mis-scaling crouching or otherwise non-vertical models- see:
samurai
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ophelia's totems

the only one I can think of them getting right is the crouching illuminated


Also, no, they didn't fix the TTB kits like the Viks: they replaced everyone's viks kits, but not the TTB ones.

I haven't heard anything explicitly stating that the size problems were intended.

Wait, so are the TTB kits still out of scale? Or are they fixed now

IDK if the female ones still are, but they certainly were, and, unlike the Viktoria kit which was replaced, these weren't. They were put up during the black friday sale, but those haven't reached people yet.

Yeah that's why I was asking, I bought one assuming it had been fixed up. Oh well, if it hasn't I've heard cutting their calves in half and some inventive greenstuff works. But I really hope it doesn't come to that.

Sorry, yeah, there was no official announcement AFAIK.

And you don't need to cut their calves- just their ankles need a couple mm cut off- easy enough to hide the seam where their legs meet their shoes, just annoying that you need to.

Dr. What. It might not have created as much vitriol as if GW had done this, but not many people I have heard speak of them has stated they were happy to have giant women on their boards. One or two is fine, of course, but all of them consistently? Meh. I'm with spiralingcadaver, it's just annoying that you have to do this.

And I think half the blame goes to WGF too.

I was unaware that the different samurai were associated with their different marks. Interesting, if not terribly compelling to use said mini in a game. I'll rarely field more than one.

What Wyrd says was that the TTB multisprues (blanketly both male and female) were intended to be gaming companions for the RPG, not Malifaux. As such they had no intention (at the time - August 2014) of resizing the femaile sprue. And I don't know if they changed their minds on that. Some of the posts in this thread piqued my curiousity because a resized female sprue would have earned them a sale in my book. It still will. When I got them in August I sold them on eBay within the same hour of receiving them.

Past that, Eric Johns made a trip to China after Gen Con this year to WarGames Factory (their manufacturer). Complexity of the models themselves were on his talk list, but I also heard the sizing did come up.

To date (the stuff I remember hearing about)
Samurai (of Earth) Working as intended.
TTB MPS Female Not going to fix, because it was design for TTB
TTB Hannah She's as big as the MPS Females (I own one, I can attest). Never heard anything on this, probably because so few people out there own one.
Brass Arachnid Working as intended. If you check the back of the box he's reared up on his hind legs - only 3-4 legs need to be on the base, not all 8.
Ronins Found to be in wrong scale and fixed. Replacements sent out for a window of time.
Death Marshall Working as intended.
Lucas McCabe I own a plastic box from 1.5, they're all huge. Don't remember hearing any talk about this box.

...And that's one of the only times I've ever called BS on Wyrd- it'd be fine (by which I mean, annoying but believable) if the male and female lines were consistent with each other but not compatible with Malifaux, but the male sprue fits in seamlessly while the female ones tower over the malifaux minis and, more importantly, their male counterparts.

The Young Nephilim are also pretty big in scale. You can tell by the size of the head the flying one is holding. It's about 50% bigger than it should be. That makes Young Nephilim really not much bigger than a Terror Tot but scaled up to fill out a 40mm base better, and the growth spurt to Mature insane.

Huh, I never though of that. You're totally right. Good call.

The box for The Thunder also has some fun size issues. Sheng is another "too big for the base" model, and Ototo is listed as being Ht3 despite being one of the shorter minis in the box.

Oh yeah, Shang is pretty amusingly large, though not so ridiculous considering he's a magical fox. Never thought Ototo was small, just a weird pose... will need to look at him

On the flip side. I just the new Nekima last night. While she's awesome looking she's small. She's much smaller than the original metal. She would have been the one acceptable, bigger is better miniature out of the line.
As it is for her size I think she shouldn't cost $30...more like $20 and under. But oh well.

Yeah, love the old Nekima model- she's like 4" tall, and a cooler pose in my opinion.

Metal Nekima is a fantastically nice model, but being metal, I'l feel compelled to pin the everloving gak out of it, and that's something I'm glad I'm not doing in Malifaux. So I'll take the plastic Nekima, which is still super nice.

The only reason I have metal Tuco is he's one peice and looks badass, and I didn't like the art for the new Tuco.

Yeah... she did require a lot of pins, definitely.

I saw a post on the Facebook group where one of the Young Lacroix looked significantly taller and beefier than the rest of the crew.

That's the totem I mentioned earlier- yeah, another example of "not traditionally standing = problems." I'm getting the old metal totems and then using the new ones as variant bayou gremlins, since they're so big.

Oh. Sorry 'bout that. I find their website hard to navigate to see all the products available. And I don't know the factions outside of mine as well as I should.

Do you see these sizing problems as a potential hindrance for growth of popularity?

...if it's a totem, couldn't it be painted different to reflect its special "enhanced" status?

Oh, no worries- I completely understand, what with malifaux having a huge range compared to game size...

Regarding the popularity thing, I think it's doubtful except for the segment who both care about their models' details and don't care to do anything about it or are in the tournament set who won't proxy/convert.

I'm mostly fine with it, since it's either not that noticeable on the table or I find something else to do with them- the LaCroix totem as a regular gremlin or the oversized Samurai as Fuhatsu (the character huge samurai), for instance. The female TTB sprue is frustrating since it's the whole set instead of a single out of place model, but also not that much of a pain to fix, as mentioned earlier.

Regarding the totems (she gets 3 of the same type), the problem is that they're supposed to represent exceptionally young/tiny gremlins, but one of the three is a pair of tiny gremlins, while two of them aren't vertical, so, if you stood them up, they'd actually be notably larger than adult gremlins. So, it's kind of confusing and I'm using the old, properly scaled totems in place of the 2 oversized ones, even though they don't fit the aesthetic quite as well.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Oh yeah, Shang is pretty amusingly large, though not so ridiculous considering he's a magical fox. Never thought Ototo was small, just a weird pose... will need to look at him

When I say Ototo is small, I mean because he is a Ht3 model by the rules, but is no taller or larger than your average Ht2 regular ol' guy.

I just tried visually unfolding him (i.e. checking foot to knee, rotating at knee until his thigh is vertical, repeat at waist to head), and he's actually pretty huge- compared to the other large/40mm-based humans, he looks like he's head and shoulders taller than most...

Also, that huge analogy for the male anatomy is big enough to compensate for any shortcomings.

I heard Nekima was decidedly small for a 30$ purchase, which makes me feel very lucky I got Izamu for about 12$ from a reseller.

lol, re: his tetsubo

And yeah, there are pics over on the wyrd forums, seems like there are some more arbitrary changes in scale. Really happy I liked the old Nekima better, since it's also the more impressively scaled mini...

I recived and built my Nekima, and yeah, she's pretty small. I do, however, like it. She and Lilith are meant to be sisters, and this shows that off more than the old massive size discrepancy. Well, at least to me, so I'm glad I like it.

I can definitely see why others would be disappointed though, and for that money, I was expecting Mature or larger size. She's really expensive for such a tiny sprue.

Apparently they priced her wrong. She's 25USD, not 35USD. So there is going to be a refund.

Yep, other than their questionable response to the TTB set, Wyrd has been very good about mistakes. Happy with my malifaux apology keychain from some years back.