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Hey guys I'm posting two lists for a local event, with the harby list I won 3/4 battles in the last event (grabbing me first place) and bar the extra 15pnts of additions, it has been tried found pretty decent. The second pKreoss list i'm not so sure with tho and require's Constructive Criticism

List 1 points
Harby +5
Reckoner 8
chior (min) 2
Avatar 11
vassal x2 4
Errants (full + UA) 10
Convent 2
Rupert 2
Wracks 1 - 35 points

tristan 3
redeemer 6
gorman 2
vigilant 4 (part of harby BG) - 50 points


list 2

pKreoss +5
reckoner 8
vanquisher 8
chior (min) 2
errants (full+UA) 10
Zealots (full+UA) 8
Hierophant 2
wracks 1
Eiryss 3
vilmon 3
paladin 2
paladin 2
vassal 2
vassal 2
reclaimer 2 - 50 points


I'm not to happy with the kreoss list as it seems Solo heavy, and maybe should drop some stuff for bastions or Idrian Skirmishers? reclaimer i can drop quite happily same with the hierophant (freeing up 4 points) same with the vilmon and paladins, wracks maybe drop? can swap out the zealots but anti spell and mini feat sound like a good combo, I do admit i'm going for the simple pop and drop tactic with this list.... so yeah any advice is welcomed!

Ok, well for starters you should really have Tristan in your pKreoss list.

His real strength is a ranged assassination. Knock the enemy warcaster down, and shoot to death. Tristan can run a Redeemer so Kreoss isn't giving it tons of focus. Kreoss runs a Reckoner and a Vanquisher.

The typical Pop'n'drop formula is as follows,

pKreoss
-Reckoner
-Vanquisher
-Heirophant

Tristan
-Redeemer

Choir
2 Vassals
Taryn di la Rhovissi

Taryn is there in case you have something that is blocking Los, but can't be knocked down. She can shoot it and make it not block LoS.

Use the rest of your points as you see fit.

Thanks ok, the frees up 9 points on the harby list, full squad of bastions? drop the vigilant too and replace it with a squad of knight exemplar?

new lists:

list one

List 1 points
Harby +5
Reckoner 8
chior (min) 2
Avatar 11
vassal x2 4
Errants (full + UA) 10
Convent 2
Rupert 2
Wracks 1
bastions (full) 8
knigh exemplar 5
gorman 2

list two

pKreoss +5
-reckoner 8
-vanquisher 8
-Hierophant 2
chior (min) 2

Tristan 3
-Redeemer6

errants (full+UA) 10
Zealots (full+UA) 8
vassal 2
vassal 2
wracks 1
Eiryss/Taryn di la Rhovissi (if i can get hold of her by the weekend).


liking the look of the pKreoss list as it makes more sense now, not to sure with the harby list now but the additional units make more sense, especially with martyrdom and bastions

cheers grey templar!

You don't want too many martyrdom options, it becomes a sticky situation, especially as you're only toughing yor Errants.

Those 5 points for the Exemplar Knights could go on Vilmon and a Paladin which can be very very useful in scenario play