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I would like to note before anyone reads this any further that I don't think I would ever do this but it IS possible.

Well, since you can put mini's on any base that is the size of the one it came with or larger. Putting 'tie up' units (gun drones, rippers, scarabs) on  the huge heavy bases would be about the nastiest thing you could do.

So for you godzilla list players who take those ripper bases as your troop choices, there ya go, you can scour the entire board with rippers and pretty much give your opponent no chance of winning whatsoever.

I was thinking the same thing myself. Imagine a gun drone squadron based on old 45rpm records? Oh, the cheeze! but, technically, fully legal.

-Hans

hey cool, I can put my army on 40 inch bases and they'll all get into close combat on the first turn - woo hoo!

Seriously though, it's a badly worded rule from GW...

The larger bases do not allow you to deploy any closer to your opponent so you will not get into combat any sooner regardless of the size of the base. They will help you against template weapons though, due to the fact that there will be far fewer models under any template.

Darrian

Pretty neat for speed freeks and dark eldar though... with big enough bases your in cc in turn 1 with your whole army.

Also quite good for using against drop-pod armies. Between infiltrating units and regular line units, you can almost force them to land inside a pre-designated kill zone. Or even prevent them from landing at all.

-Hans

I was mostly thinking that you could move a line along the board of your 'tie up' units but hey, lots of other great ideas.

Since the distance is measured from the front of the base to the front of the base again it won't make any difference for assault, however that is really good idea and can be exploited terribly. As said, against Template weapons, for blocking up the board with Grots, Scarabs, Gun Drones, etc and for allowing your Deva unit to "spread" all along your battle line.

I doubt you'll make any friends with this tactic, but it should work.

Since the distance is measured from the front of the base to the front of the base again it won't make any difference for assault, however that is really good idea and can be exploited terribly. As said, against Template weapons, for blocking up the board with Grots, Scarabs, Gun Drones, etc and for allowing your Deva unit to "spread" all along your battle line.

It´s certainly possible if you´re mounted in a vehicle, moves it and then disembark within 2" (ie. a fraction of the base is within 2").

It´s sad people even consider doing it though...

1st turn assault-Deploy in vehicle, get out of vehicle turn 1 and charge...The best way to win with a Khorne army

You just need one model in the squad to have the huge base though

What the hell are you guys talking about?

Wow. What a cheesy way to exploit game mechanics.

that is the MOST cheesyiest way to exploit game mechanics I have EVER witnessed

Thanks Anung, I am impressed that I came up with the kraft dinner of 40k.

Ok, that with the vehicles would work, true. Damn, that is so lame it makes you want to cry. If anyone used that on me i'd pack up my army and leave, no explanation, just leave. However, it is still real cool .

New tactic for the UKGT

It could lead to an intresting problem however, actually two;
1 what if you ran out of space to deploy in? too many large bases could occupy all of your deployment zone without allowing you to place all of your army on the board.
2 If you are bigger than the cover that you are in, do you still get the cover save? also if you are in multible covers, ie your base spans a forest and a bunker, which save do you take?

I would just like to take a moment to thank the staff of GW for writing its rules so well.

*starts setting up his army*
"Hey! What do you think you're doing? You can't put your guys on my model's base!"
"Base? I thought that was the table!"

I really don't see how this would be effective since you still have to go all the way across the table, and with huge bases make things impossible to hide, or even move without hitting terrain (yeah nids get move through cover but still). Plus it would limit your number of units since they will have difficulty fitting on the deployment edge.

@snoogums, it works because if you have something like scarabs or ripper swarms on them you just make a line across the table and deny your opponent a move and force them to get tied up in HTH, ideal for nid armies really. I was more thinking a 'reasonable' (but still ultra cheesy) way to do it would be to put them on 5" bases, that way you could cover most of the table with them with and keep your opponent at bay until your 'back up' arrived.

Posted By happypants on 05/01/2006 1:02 PM
@snoogums, it works because if you have something like scarabs or ripper swarms on them you just make a line across the table and deny your opponent a move and force them to get tied up in HTH, ideal for nid armies really. I was more thinking a 'reasonable' (but still ultra cheesy) way to do it would be to put them on 5" bases, that way you could cover most of the table with them with and keep your opponent at bay until your 'back up' arrived.

That puts your second wave that much further back, slows down your entire army by being forced to make move through cover rules, and move around any impassable terrain, and allows all units to be shot at during the advance since you have a line from edge to edge. You will also block any following combat cratures, and size level 2 models will be able to fire over the rippers in combat since they are only size level 1. You can do a line of  Guants for about the same price, avoind instant death and vulnerable to templates, and actually reach combat quicker. This tactic would only be even remotely good if you had a complately clear table to advance across, and your enemy had small weapons.

To make it look less cheesy, spend some time and decorate the bases with fallen bodies and more rippers. That way they wont see one ripper to a 5" base.
Then when they complain point them to the rules.

I can just see where all this will eventually lead to.

Everyone will do this, because cheesy one-upmanship is the name of wargames (in GW land). Soon, you will see people bringing their whole army mounted on a 18"x18" piece of MDF board. The game will devolve down to completely slowed, developmentally disabled, "corkie", version of WHFB. The game will be sold on principles of the tactics needed to outmanuever an identical 18"x18" mounted army, 12" away.

That would make all the video game geeks happy. They will no longer be the attention of scorne, as that would shift to the idiotic 40K players.

Funnily enough I have a counter to this tactic, after you deploy your 12" based creature I take a 2hr toilet break.

Drawn game. I walk away smiling you walk away still the same sexually frustrated WAACer. Good result in my books.

There is one other counter to this Swarm + really, really large base ... template weapons. sure, a flamer might only catch one "base", but it takes double wounds... frag missiles, ordnance, etc... would really blow big holes in the line.
If done correctly though, could really be aesthetically pleasing. Imagine piling on a bunch of the FW ripper swarms onto a spare CD... truly a swarm.

If all else fails, the 2hr bathroom break would definitely work.

And the form of the base isnt defined as well !

So you can make a model with a 30" long very slim base and deploy it with its unit in a Landraider. Your first turn the unit disembarks from the landraider and charges with the single 30" model. All other models in the unit stay in your zone, but who cares as long as they are 2" away from your (long) model in base contact.

Ok, so I shoot one, force your swarm out of coherency and let you spend a few turns moving back into coherency.

Move? you expect to be able to move? Of course, I can't think of anybody that would do more than humor an opponent for about 5 minutes with this concept. And I can think of even less people that would play against somebody using bases that big either.

-Hans

You disembark gun drones from a devilfish and chose which of the ten different size of base in your suitcase  you will put them on based on what you need at that specific moment.

Hm...does anyone recall reading anywhere in the rules that the bases have to be round? Yet another permutation of this discussion would be to use custom-shaped bases. Imagine a unit of models based on flamer template-shaped bases deploying from a vehicle. The narrow end can be within 2" of the deployment point while the large end is placed closer to an enemy.