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So I've been working on a tiny Lamenters army, and was planning on using the Blood Angels codex because I thought I remembered them being able to take jump pack infantry as troops. But I was reading the epub version recently and goofing around on battlescribe and apparently they're now fast attack only.

Is there something I'm missing that lets you take Assault Squads as troops, like say I need a captain with a jumppack or something? Or does the blood angels codex just not allow you to do that anymore? I'd like to be able to use my death company as actual death company, so if there's a way to do it with blood angels in some way that'd be great, but I'd be open to using a different codex as well. I know I could always go unbound if I really wanted them that bad, but I'm wanting to run them allied to my old IG army and with the allied detachment rules you can only take one fast attack slot, hence my dilemma.

I'm not really familiar with space marines since back when I played in 5th edition people would just swap out codexes for their primed marines at will, so I never really knew what codex did what. Not to mention two more editions have come out and everyone has new codexes, so I'm really lost.

I'd prefer to not have to abuse weird formations or anything if at all possible. I've got my ways of getting access to them, but I'd prefer to carry as few codexes and rules as possible.

BAngles used to be able to take Assault Marines as Troops.

If you want to run an Assault-heavy army there are two options.

1. Play Unbound. It's nice because you can run whatever units you want (so you could run nothing but Jump Pack equipped units). The downside is no ObSec or other Detachment benefits.

2. Run a Flesh Tearers Strike Force (Shield of Baal: Exterminatus). You lose out on some Troops, but can take 1-6 FA units.

I think there's a Forgeworld Raven Guard Captain that makes ASMs troops, but that's it as far as I know. Most "X is now Troops" has been removed from the recent codexes (except the captain-on-bike-makes-bikes-troops thing for some reason).

You could take one of the Death Company units from Deathstorm - a DC Dread or a unit of 5 (specifically equipped) Deathcompany that are each Troops.

 Quanar wrote:
I think there's a Forgeworld Raven Guard Captain that makes ASMs troops, but that's it as far as I know. Most "X is now Troops" has been removed from the recent codexes (except the captain-on-bike-makes-bikes-troops thing for some reason).

You could take one of the Death Company units from Deathstorm - a DC Dread or a unit of 5 (specifically equipped) Deathcompany that are each Troops.

what do you mean deathstorm? Is that a formation or something? I've got 9 Death Company jetpack marines so I was planning on running them already. Anything that get jetpack guys into slots so I can use them would be nice.

Deathstorm is a campaign set for Nids vs BA. Comes with:
Terminator kit
Death Company kit
Death Company Dread kit
Special Terminator Captain
Carnifex kit
Genestealer kit
Warrior kit
Special Broodlord

Since it was released just prior to the new codex, the unique Death Company unit and unique Death Company Dread unit are both Troops.

Shadow Captain Korvidae (or whatever) is in IA:8, which needs an update so look around in the Downloads section of Forge World for new rules. You might find a 6th edition update. As far as I know, that's the only way to do it in 40k now. And the 'army is led by' is commonly houseruled into 'if X is your Warlord', atleast in my area. So it also doesn't help your needs.

Weird Formations are likely your best bet. Like Shadow Strike Squad from the new Raven Guard section of the Campaign book Kauyon (which means you need the Space Marine Codex and Kauyon book unless you're like me and spliced the two books into one easy PDF). But, it's Sternguard, Vanguard a Speeder and a Captain. Perfect for an allied elite force if you ask me, and doesn't have to be Raven Guard.

Blood Angels also have a Formation with a Vanguard squad and two Assault Squads in White Dwarf 47. Angel's Wrath Intervention Force.

Or, Exterminatus campaign book has an actual Detachment for the Archangels. 1 HQ, 2 Elites and you can select the Vanguard Veterans as your slots. They're expensive, but I'd say it's the closest you're going to get with what you want.

For Legion Marines, Assault Marines are a troop choice.

Use the Bladewing Assault Brotherhood for Raven Guard from the new Kauyon book. It consists of 1 Captain, Chaplain or Captain Shrike, 1-3 Vanguard Veteran Squads and 2-4 Assault Squads. All models in the formation must have jump packs.

Switch to 30k. There you will find AM as troops.
I field normally one or two units with 20 AM each, each of which led by a Praetor.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Switch to 30k. There you will find AM as troops.
I field normally one or two units with 20 AM each, each of which led by a Praetor.

But I'm running 40k marines, Lamenters no less (they didn't even get formed till 36,000) Heresy rules wouldn't even be remotely appropriate for these guys.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Switch to 30k. There you will find AM as troops.
I field normally one or two units with 20 AM each, each of which led by a Praetor.

This bears repeating. You can have big blobs of 20 man Assault Squads using Legion rules. 6 x 20 = 120. You can equip each unit them with melta-bombs and/or combat shields. No flamers, just hand-flamers. Their is a specific "Angel's Wrath" Rite of War that gives all that gak H&R. I would make a point to shake the man's hand who showed me that army..


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Switch to 30k. There you will find AM as troops.
I field normally one or two units with 20 AM each, each of which led by a Praetor.

But I'm running 40k marines, Lamenters no less (they didn't even get formed till 36,000) Heresy rules wouldn't even be remotely appropriate for these guys.

Ninj'd