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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/05/07 15:50:44
Subject: Broadsides, drones, scoring, moral
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
Australia
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Firstly, I'll deal with my BGB questions. It seems that to have a -1 Ld modifier on all 3 moral checks, you see if you're under 50% of the orginal models, not the orginal wounds in the unit. So even if a lone wounded broadside, originally in a unit of 2, took a moral test, it would not suffer a -1 penalty. Is that correct? Even if that is correct, I've played all along that when dealing with whether the unit is scoring or not, and whether you get half victory points, you look at if you're under 50% of the original number of wounds. So in the above unit, it would no longer be scoring, and the opponent would get 1/2 victory points for the unit. Is that correct? Or do you look at the number of models (as suggested page 47). And Which one is used to determine if a unit can rally? Can the fleeing wounded broadside rally (it was originally a unit of 2)? Basically: Page 47 says a unit's starting strength is determined by number of models, not wounds. Unit of 2 broadsides, 1 wounded broadside left. 1. Does the broadside take a -1 Ld modifier to moral checks? 2. Does the broadside count as scoring / Does the unit give half victory points? 3. Can the broadside rally? Secondly, more drone questions regarding the Tau Empire codex. Tau Empire page 31: Drones under the command of a drone controller are counted when assessing if the unit they are with should take a Morale check having taken 25% casualties. They are similarly counted when determining if the unit is strong enough to claim an objective. If their unit suffers losses, drones are counted when determining if it is below 50% for Victory Point purposes. Is it just me, or is this as useless as the line "regardless of the target's Toughness" (page 26)? If it's not, then does this mean, because it doesn't mention drones counting towards rallying, that the following unit can rally: 2 broadsides, 2 shield drones. An unwounded broadside is left, and is fleeing. As the rule on page 31 doesn't mention drones count for rallying, some argue that the broadside can rally, as only 1 broadside is lost. Others say that even though page 31 doesn't mention drones counting for rallying, they do. Which one is it?
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109/20/22 w/d/l
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/05/07 16:08:38
Subject: RE: Broadsides, drones, scoring, moral
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Question 1: You can rally. It's about unit strength. The number of wounds lost is meaningless. A broadside with 1 wound left still is 1 of 2 models. That's 50%. The only multi-wound models the enemy gets VPs for if wounded are independent characters. Broadsides are not independent characters. So as long as you have a unit of 2 with 1 model left, even if it only has one wound, it can still regroup and the enemy gets no VPs.
Question 2: As far as I can tell, I don't see why you wouldn't count the drones as part of the unit anyway. They're purchased as wargear, but they have stat lines and are based seperately. Honestly, I find the whole paragraph about what they can do redundant. How can they not be models treated as part of the unit?
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"The last known instance of common sense happened at a GT. A player tried to use the 'common sense' argument vs. Mauleed to justify his turbo-boosted bikes getting a saving throw vs. Psycannons. The player's resulting psychic death scream erased common sense from the minds of 40k players everywhere. " - Ozymandias |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/05/08 04:40:25
Subject: RE: Broadsides, drones, scoring, moral
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Widowmaker
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Regarding question 1: Socring status in units with multiple wound models is determined by wounds remaining, it's an asterisk under the scoring status table. 50% casualty modifiers are determined by models remaining, so there's a discrepancy here where a unit could be allowed to rally at 50% models but wouldn't count for scoring because of wounds.
I can't help you on question 2. The Tau codex was designed with the sole purpose of destroying RAW gameplay, and here's another nice example where it has succeeded.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2006/05/08 07:23:39
Subject: RE: Broadsides, drones, scoring, moral
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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Socring status in units with multiple wound models is determined by wounds remaining, it's an asterisk under the scoring status table.
Damnit, you're right. Damnit. Is "I haven't played 40k in 9 months" a valid excuse?
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"The last known instance of common sense happened at a GT. A player tried to use the 'common sense' argument vs. Mauleed to justify his turbo-boosted bikes getting a saving throw vs. Psycannons. The player's resulting psychic death scream erased common sense from the minds of 40k players everywhere. " - Ozymandias |
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