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I bought a small Marine starter army and it came with some Vanguard. I would like to use them with some stern guard for the 1st company formation.

problem is I think they where built with to much dakka. Points cost is high. tell me what I should cut off and what I should keep

3 came with storm shield and thunder hammers
1 with plasma pistol and chain sword
and sergeant has grav psitol and power sword

thanks for the help

Vanguard are always high in cost. Your squad is pretty minimal compared to what I've seen.

ok thanks

I run a squad of 6 with a Chaplain. SS and LCx3, PF and pistol x2, and the Sarge with 2xLC. On the first round they all reroll to hit, and the LC reroll wounds with the fists usually wounding on 2s. It is a lot of hurt to bring...if they make it.

I think 3 TH is too much points in a 5 man squad.

So the problem here is that your highest costed models are the ones meant to take a Demolisher Cannon to the face. Even your ablative wound has a 15pt upgrade so now you're cheapest guy is over 35pts on a one wound 3+ armor model. Pistols in general can be avoided, and Storm Shields should really go on the guys you're okay dying. Extra shields are fine, but you need some guys that will step in the way of a bullet or cannon that might have killed the hammer or other expensive upgrade. So you're right, there's too much Dakka in the squad. Getting rid of the fancy guns and adding a couple more guys with just shields is a good idea. Still expensive as hell, but now with a purpose.

I like running 1 with a Relic Blade and Storm Shield, two with Power Swords and Storm Shields, and two with 2x Lightning Claws. Plenty of attacks there. Survivable as well with the 3++.

So maybe give the shield guys chain swords,keep a hammer or two on the one's with out a shield and only run bolters for pistols?