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Played in a smallish tournament yesterday at my local club (came 3rd!) using Khador. So, let's set the scene- In my first game we had eMorvanha v Butcher3. Butcher has gone up and I'm using his feat defensively so he's on full camp and waiting to go in for the kill next turn. But the Circle player moves in to counter assassinate him. and by the end of all of this both Butcher and Morv are on 1 box each (due to Morv cutting a hell of a lot for Scales of Fate). There is 1 activation of Skinwalkers left and 1 guy can get to Butcher by walking through the forest he's next to. He walks in and he's at dice minus 11, so the guy needs 2 sixes and fails.

He then cuts with eMorv to force a re-roll and try and eke out a draw as he'd just killed his own Warlock in the desperate hope of killing mine (he didn't). Is this legal? Can a Warlock/Caster (this isn't specifically about eMorvanha, but I can't think of any others that can do something like that off the top of my head.) voluntarily kill themselves in such a way?

It's a moot point, but I'm just curious. Thanks in advance.

Yes, you could voluntarily kill your own warlock or warcaster with such an ability. You would instantly lose however, a draw would not be possible due to the order of operations.

The rules say that if your warcaster/lock dies the game immediately ends, you don't finish what was happening. Its over at that instant.


The order of the attack is normally,

Roll to Hit

Roll Damage

Apply damage

If model loses its last hit point it proceeds through Disabled>Boxed>Destroyed


The order with Scales of Fate is,

Roll to Hit

You may now choose to reroll with Scales of Fate. If you do, she suffers D3 damage>Apply damage. If this causes her to lose her last hitbox>Disabled>Boxed>Destroyed: Warlock killed, immediate game loss by assassination. Game over!

Roll Damage

You may now choose to reroll with Scales of Fate. If you do, she suffers D3 damage>Apply damage. If this causes her to lose her last hitbox>Disabled>Boxed>Destroyed: Warlock killed, immediate game loss by assassination. Game over!

Apply damage

If model loses its last hit point it proceeds through Disabled>Boxed>Destroyed

Ha! So he was screwed either way. Just felt a little miffed after the fact he'd denied Butcher the pleasure of doing the deed himself.

Wow, that is good to know. Thank you for the write up Grey Templar, very helpful.

This basically applies to all of the warcasters/warlocks who hurt themselves for something. Most notably Morv2 and Harbinger, they can both kill themselves by doing this.

Usually it happens in a tournament where you are down to the wire and you need that model to stay alive or that roll to succeed, you're down to 2-3 hp and you need to take the risk.

 Grey Templar wrote:
This basically applies to all of the warcasters/warlocks who hurt themselves for something. Most notably Morv2 and Harbinger, they can both kill themselves by doing this.

Usually it happens in a tournament where you are down to the wire and you need that model to stay alive or that roll to succeed, you're down to 2-3 hp and you need to take the risk.

Butcher was obviously very angry at being denied this opportunity as in the next game his first real attack of the whole tournament he takes 20 boxes off of a (previously untouched) Phoenix in 1 hit. 1 rounds it then sits in the wreck looking angry.

Don't deny Butcher his kills.

Haha, never take a 'Caster kill away from the Butcher. It's just makes the angry psychotic killer even angrier. Angry Marines wished they could rage as hard as the Butcher.